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MICHAEL S. DANKO, ESQ. SBN 111359 Electronically
mdanko@dankolaw.com
DANKO MEREDITH by Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo
333 Twin Dolphin Drive, Suite 145 ON 3/2/2021
Redwood Shores, CA 94065
Telephone: (650) 453-3600 By. /s/ Joel Lacey
Deputy Clerk
Facsimile: (650) 394-8672
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
BRYAN TRUJILLO and CINDY TRUJILLO
SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF SAN MATEO
UNLIMITED CIVIL JURISDICTION
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12 Plaintiffs, PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND
MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE
13 Vv. DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK
RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS
14 STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT;
CLUB, INC., AND DOES 1 - 50, DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
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Defendants
16 Trial Date: March 8,|2021
Time: 900-a-m- 1:30 p.m.
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18 Complaint filed: April 17, 2018
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20 TO DEFENDANTS AND TO THEIR ATTORNEYS OF RECORD:
21 PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that Plaintiffs hereby move this Court for an order in limine
22 excluding the defense expert Mr. Rick Railsback from testifying that the Trujillo’s property is “safe,”
23 that the contaminate levels found on their property poses no threat to the health of individuals
24 occupying or visiting the property, or that the government, by setting a permitted maximum amount
25 of contaminate not requiring remediation, thereby declares that lower levels are “safe.” All such
26 opinions exceed Mr. Railsback’s expertise or amount to speculation.
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PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE
DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES
IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
This Motion is based on Evidence Code §§ 802, 803, 352, this Notice of Motion and Motion,
the attached Memorandum, the Declaration of Miller, all the other pleadings and papers on file in
this action, any such other evidence as may be presented, and, if the court desires, oral argument.
DATED: February a », 2020 DANKO MEREDITH
Attorneys for Plaintiffs
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PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE
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IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES
I INTRODUCTION.
Defendants’ geologist, Mr. Rick Railsback, seeks to opine that plaintiffs’ property is “safe” for
occupants and visitors. Mr. Railsback admits he is not a toxicologist and has no medical experience.
He is only a geologist. His only basis for opining that the Trujillo’s property is “safe” is a hearsay
statement - in this instance a letter from a government authority informing the plaintiffs that, based
on the remaining contamination levels, the site was eligible for “closure.” And notably, the
regulatory standards for allowable level of contaminate was revised downward in 2019. As a result,
the contaminate level on the property may now, again, be out of compliance.
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12 A Mr. Railsback’s Opinions R egarding the H ealth I mpacts of the C ontamination Should
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14 Mr. Railsback was disclosed by the defendants as a geologist and he is licensed to engage in
15 geology in Alabama and Texas. (Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, attached to Miller Declaration
16 (hereinafter “Miller Decl.”) as Exh. A.) He was hired by the insurer of the subject aircraft more than
17 a year before litigation was initiated to review the cleanup work being done on the Trujillo property.
18 (Deposition of Rickard Railsback (hereinafter “Railsback Depo.”) at 6:9-20, 8:15-23, 10:12-11:3,
19 attached to Miller Decl. as Exh. B.) In this role, he advised the insurance claims agent and the
20 attorney hired by the insurer, and established budgets for assessment and possible closure of the site!
21 following the homeowners’ initial remediation efforts. (Railsback Depo. at 6:9-20, 8:19-25, 12:4-9,
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23 Mr. Railsback is not qualified to make an assessment as to whether the residual chemicals that
24 presently contaminate the Trujillo property (or for that matter the contamination found on their
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1 In the context of a property contamination, a site closure occurs after the responsible regulatory agency decides the
26 costs of further remediation exceeds the health benefits. Site closure does not mean that the governmental entity has
decided the contamination has been removed. Rather, governmental cleanup standards strike balance between the costs
27 of further cleanup efforts and the health risk of having the residual contamination in place. (See, Health and Safety Code
§ 25356.1(d)(5).)
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DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES
IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
property at any point since the plane crash) pose a threat to the health of either occupants or visitors
to the property. During his deposition he admitted he is not a toxicologist and defendants’ expert
disclosure does not indicate that he is a physician. (Railsback Depo. at 22:3-12, Exh. B and
Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, Exh. A.)
B. Mr. Railsback’s Inference That the Trujillo Property is Safe Based on the Government’s
Standards Concerning the C ontamination at Issue and Should be Precluded at Trial.
During his deposition, Mr. Railsback testified that by February 2019 he inferred the property
was safe based on the facts that (1) the property had been cleaned up to the point that the
10 contaminate no longer exceeded the government regulator s allowable limits (Railsback Depo. at
11 7:22-8:14, 11:19-12:3, 12:10-13:3, 15:1-6, 21:3-10, Exh. B) and (2) the government regulator (the
12 San Mateo County Groundwater Protection Program) indicated that it was recommending the case
13 concerning the cleanup of the fuel contamination be closed. (Railsback Depo. at 25:19-26:10, Exh.
14 B.) Knowing nothing about toxicology or public health, Mr. Railsback bases his opinions that the
15 property is “safe” on “what the San Francisco Regional Water Quality Board says” and the fact that
16 he “look[s] to the regulators” for setting maximum contaminate levels. (Railsback Depo. at 21:8-
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18 Further, Mr. Railsback made clear that it was Orion Environmental that reached conclusions
19 regarding the scope of the contamination still on the property and that he merely adopted those
20 conclusions, rather than develop his own opinions. (Railsback Depo. at 8:15-20, 10:12-11:18, Exh.
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22 Again, Mr. Railsback is neither a toxicologist nor a physician. (Railsback Depo. at 22:3-12,
23 Exh. B and Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, Exh. A.) He has no training, education, or experience
24 that would allow him to opine as to the health consequences or impacts on individuals exposed to the
25 contaminates that the airplane dumped onto the property. Mr. Railsback’s speculation as to the
26 meaning of the government's allowable contamination levels, the decision of the regulator
27 recommending site closure, or the impact of Orion Environmental’s work must be excluded pursuant
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IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
to Evidence Code §352 and People v. Sanchez (2016) 63 Cal.4" 665 as such testimony has no
probative value, would lead to jury confusion, and constitutes case specific hearsay.
It. CONCLUSION.
For the foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs respectfully request an order in limine precluding Mr.
Railsback from offering opinions that the Trujillo property is “safe,” that contaminate levels that do
not exceed the regulatory authority’s maximum permitted levels means a property is safe for the
health of a property’s occupants, or that one should just trust the government. All such opinions are
beyond the scope of Mr. Railsback’s expertise.
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DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES
IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
DECLARATION OF SHAWN R. MILLER IN SUPPORT
1 I am an attorney with Danko Meredith, attorney of record for Plaintiffs. I have personal
knowledge of the following facts as a result of my being attorney of record and working on this matter
on behalf of Plaintiffs and, if called as a witness, would and could truthfully and competently testify
thereto.
2 As an associate working on this matter, documents and correspondence concerning this matter
are routed to me before being filed. I retrieved the following documents from the firm’s file regarding
this matter:
a. Defendants’ Disclosure of Expert Witnesses and Declaration which lists Mr. Railsback
10 as a retained expert geologist. A true and correct copy of the Disclosure is attached
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12 Deposition transcript of the deposition of Mr. Rick Railsback taken on October 24, 2019.
13 A true and correct copy of excerpts from the Railsback deposition transcript are attached
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16 I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of California that the foregoing is true and
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Dated: February Uf , 2020 wee Shawn R. Miller
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IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT.
EXHIBIT A
GARRY L. MONTANARI, State Bar No. 89790
WESLEY S. WENIG, State Bar No. 162351
MICHAELIS, MONTANARI & JOHNSON, P.C.
4333 Park Terrace Dr. #110
Westlake Village, CA 91361
Telephone No.: (818) 865-0444
Attorneys for defendants, STEPHEN MAGEE and
SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.
SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
COUNTY OF SAN MATEO
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BRYAN TRUJILLO and CINDY Case No.: 18CIV01901
TRUJILLO, Honorable Robert D. Foiles; Dept. 21
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Plaintiffs, DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE
AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB,
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VS. INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT
WITNESSES INFORMATION;
15 DECLARATION OF GARRY L.
STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING MONTANARI
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CLUB, INC. and DOES 1 - 50,
(C.C.P, §2034.280)
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ALLIED PROPERTY AND CASUALTY
INSURANCE COMPANY; AMCO
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INSURANCE COMPANY,
Plaintiffs-in-Intervention,
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Complaint filed: April 17, 2018
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VS. Trial Date: November 4, 2019
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STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING
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CLUB, INC.; AND DOES 1 - 20,
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27 Defendants STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC., pursuant to Code
28 of Civil Procedure section 2034.210(a)(b)(c) hereby elect the following persons who will or may
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DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS
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testify as an expert witness on behalf of said defendants:
RETAINED EXPERTS
1 James K. Purpura, CCM, 930 Tahoe Blvd #802-560, Incline Village, NV 89451;
telephone: (775) 636-08553.
2 Captain Barry Schiff, 673 Trueno Ave., Camarillo, CA 93010; telephone: (805) 987-
4561.
3 Ted “JR” Faravelli, T.E. Faravelli & Associates, 2302 Zanker Rd., San Jose, CA
95131; telephone: (408) 954-5996.
4 Zach Romer, Automobile Appraisal Association, P.O. Box 134, Carmichael, CA
10 95608; telephone: (415) 798-0371 (cell) or (888) 595-7551.
11 5 Rick Railsback, Cura Emergency Services, 6205 Capel Hill Blvd. #100, Plano, Texas
12 75093; telephone: (214) 914-7263.
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14 1 Defendant Stephen Magee, c/o Michaelis Montanari & Johnson, 33 Park Terrace
15 Dr. #110, Westlake Village, CA 91361; telephone: (818) 865-0444.
16 2. Pearl Pereira, FACS, 21228 Cabot Blvd., Hayward, CA 90221; te one: (510) 266-
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18 3 Jose Barragan, Service Advisor, Autobahn Motors, 700 Island Parkway, Belmont, CA
19 94002; telephone: (650) 544-1747.
20 The foregoing expert witnesses are the only witness known to the defendants as of this date.
21 Defendants reserve the right to call additional expert witnesses up to and including the time of trial,
22 including any experts designated by other parties to this action or an expert used for impeachment,
23 pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 2034.310(a)(b). Defendants also reserve the right to
24 withdraw the names of any experts designated above if it is subsequently determined that their
25 testimony is not required at trial. In the event an expert is withdrawn prior to that expert’s
26 deposition, defendants claim that any communications with such experts so withdrawn are protected
27 by the attorney-client and attorney work product privileges.
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Defendants reserve the right to submit a supplemental expert witness list pursuant to Code
of Civil Procedure section 2034.280. In the event that any additional expert witnesses are utilized,
their names and addresses will be provided and will be accompanied by an expert witness declaration
as set forth in Code of Civil Procedure section 2034.280.
DATED: September 16, 2019 MICHAELIS, MONTANARI & JOHNSON
By:
GARR MONTANARI
Attomeyé for Defendants STEPHEN MAGEE
and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.
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DECLARATION OF GARRY L. MONTANARI
I, GARRY L. MONTANARI, declare as follows:
1 Iam an attorney at law duly licensed to practice before all of the Courts of the State
of California. I am a partner of the law firm of Michaelis, Montanari & Johnson, counsel of record
for defendants, STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC. The facts stated below
are true and correct of my own knowledge.
2. Accompanying this declaration is a list of the persons whose expert opinion
testimony, either orally or by deposition testimony, is intended to be offered at trial of this action.
The list includes the following persons:
10 3 James K. Purpura, CCM, 930 Tahoe Blvd #802-560, Incline Village, NV 89451;
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12 4 Captain Barry Schiff, 673 Trueno Ave., Camarillo, CA 93010; telephone: (805) 987-
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14 5 Ted “JR” Faravelli, T.E. Faravelli & Associates, 2302 Zanker Rd., San Jose, CA
15 95131; telephone: (408) 954-5996.
16 6 Zach Romer, Automobile Appraisal Association, P.O. Box 134, Carmichael, CA
17 95608; telephone: (415) 798-0371 (cell) or (888) 595-7551.
18 7 Rick Railsback, Cura Emergency Services, 6205 Capel Hill Blvd. #100, Plano, Texas
19 75093; telephone: (214) 914-7263.
20 8 Said experts have agreed to testify at trial.
21 9 James K. Purpura, CCM: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of
22 said expert: Mr. Purpura is a Certified Consulting Meteorologist. Attached hereto, marked Exhibit
23 “A,” and incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct copy of the Curriculum Vitae of
24 said expert, James K. Purpura.
25 10. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said
26 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Purpura will be addressing including but not
27 limited to applicable meteorological conditions for the accident flight with emphasis on the weather
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ll. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful
oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases
therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Purpura has not prepared a written report regarding this matter.
12. Mr. Purpura’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $290 per hour.
13. Captain Barry Schiff: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said
expert: Captain Schiff is an ATP-rated pilot with over 28,000 flight hours in 357 different aircraft.
Attached hereto, marked Exhibit “B,” and incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct
copy of the Curriculum Vitae of said expert, Captain Schiff.
14. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said
10 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Captain Schiff will be addressing include piloting
11 with emphasis on pilot weather briefings and aircraft control and piloting techniques for flights into
12 unforecast wind shear.
13 15. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful
14 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases
15 therefor. As of the present date, Captain Schiff has not prepared a written report regarding this
16 matter.
17 16. Captain Schiff’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $300 per hour.
18 17. Ted “JR” Faravelli: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said
19 expert: Mr. Faravelli is a certified real estate appraiser. Attached hereto, marked Exhibit “C,” and
20 incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct copy of the Curriculum Vitae of said
21 expert, Mr. Faravelli.
22 18. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said
23 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Faravelli will be addressing including but not
24 limited to alleged diminution in value of plaintiffs’ property and required disclosures.
25 19. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful
26 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases
27 therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Faravelli has not prepared a written report regarding this matter.
28 20. Mr. Faravelli’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $400 per hour.
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21 Zach Romer: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said expert
Mr. Romer is an automobile appraiser. His Curriculum Vitae will be provided.
22 The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said
expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Romer will be addressing including but not
limited to alleged diminution in value and loss of sue of plaintiffs’ Sprinter van.
23 Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to a meaningful
oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases
therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Romer has not prepared a written report regarding this matter.
24. Mr. Romer’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $300 per hour.
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10 25 Rick Railsback: The following is a brief narr: alificayae s of said expert:
11 Mr. Railsback is a geologist. The Curriculum Vitae of Mr. ill be piwe
26. The following is a brief narrative of the gendtal t ofthe iby that said
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15 property and abatement thereof.
16 27 Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the 1 tosubmit t eaningful
17 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, inclu eC] pinions id the bases
18 therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Railsback has not prep: report arding this
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20 28 Mr. Railsback’s fee for deposition or trial testim: er hour
21 29. Stephen Magee: He holds FAA ratings private t gle engine
22 land. He has over 1,100 total flight hours.
23 30. The following is a brief narrative of the general S| ice the tes ony of Mr.
24 Magee: he may testify as to the available weather briefings, p 1n| chniqu sed on the
25 accident flight. He is expected to testify consistent with his d S} ‘imony August 16.
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31. Mr. Magee is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to a meaningful
oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including his expert opinion and the bases
therefor.
I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing
is true and correct.
Executed this 16th day of September 2019 at Westlake Village, California.
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EXHIBIT B
SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
COUNTY OF SAN MATEO
BRYAN TRUJILLO AND CINDY
TRUJILLO,
Plaintiffs,
NO. 18 CIV 01901
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STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING
CLUB, INC., AND DOES 1-50,
Defendants.
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13 Deposition of RICKARD RAILSBACK
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REDWOOD CITY, CALIFORNIA
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aircraft?
I believe that is the case.
You don't know whether or not they insured the
pilot?
I don't know.
You never received that information, or came to
an understanding that they insured the pilot?
A No.
21 Q Did you ever get an understanding of what the
22 limits of the insurance policy was?
23 A No.
24 Q Did you ever ask for that information?
25 A No.
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Q When did you complete your work?
A Technically, it is really not complete.
Q As you sit here today, you have reached some
opinions you intend to offer at trial?
A If asked, yes.
Q What are the opinions that you intend to offer
at trial?
A You will have to be a little more specific.
Well, have you been deposed before?
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11 Have you testified in trial before?
12 Not really trial. I testified at several
13 railroad commission hearings, on oil and gas matters.
14 Q The purpose of the deposition is for me to have
15 the opportunity to hear now whatever opinions you intend
16 to offer at the time of trial. If it is the case that
17 you have no opinions that you intend to offer, then it
18 is a short deposition. If you have opinions, I need to
19 get them now, to find out what they are.
20 A Opinions on the remediation assessment of this
21 matter?
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your area of expertise, that you feel that you are
prepared to offer at the time of trial.
A My general opinions regarding this case are that
over the past two plus years we have completed, that is,
CURA has overseen the field work done by Orion
Environmental on this site, and that we have
collected -- as part of the site assessment we have
collected numerous soil, groundwater, soil vapor, indoor
air samples, at the site.
10 And we have demonstrated conclusively that the
11 property presents no danger or risk to human health and
12 the environment. And the Groundwater Protection Program
13 of San Mateo County and the Regional Water Quality
14 Board, have concurred with this opinion.
15 Q When you say we have demonstrated conclusively,
16 who is we?
17 A CURA, with the assistance of our consultant,
18 Orion Environmental.
19 Q Is Orion -- was Orion retained by CURA?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Who paid Orion's bills?
22 A The insurance company pays Orion's bills
23 directly, after we approve the invoice.
24 Q Avemco?
25 A Yes.
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A I did not supply you with the number, but it has
been going on since early 2017. So, quite a few hours.
Q Amounts to $8,600?
A Roughly.
Q What is your hourly rate?
A Generally, $90 an hour
Q So, if my math is correct, that would be about
100 hours, roughly?
A There are probably more invoices that have not
10 been issued yet, because we will wait several months
11 before we invoice.
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kind of figuring out where the contamination was?
A And evaluating the contamination as it relates
to the environmental screen levels.
Q Do you have an understanding as to why Avemco
would pay Orion to do over $100,000 worth of work, just
to figure out the scope of the contamination?
A You have to figure that out so that you can
either plan a remediation plan, or close the site under
the -- with the data that you have collected. ALL of
10 this was required by and under -- and done under the
11 direction of the Groundwater Protection Program of San
12 Mateo County, which I will refer to as GPP.
13 Q Did Orion, after spending or charging $100,000
14 or so, come up with conclusions?
15 A Yes.
16 Q What were those conclusions?
17 A Those conclusions were the opinions that I
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19 Q That as a result of its work, at this point in
20 time the -- there is no danger -- the contamination on
21 the property presents no danger or risk to human health,
22 or to the environment?
23 A That's correct.
24 Q And as of what time, what point did the work on
25 the property reach the point that there was no further
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danger to human health or the environment?
A That would be around February of this year, when
we issued the last report on the indoor air sampling.
Q Did Orion actually do any of the remediation
work?
A Again, it is a -- we get to definitions, but the
actual, quote, remediation work, was the excavation of
the contaminated soil, which was done by IRC before we
were engaged.
10 Q How did you get to the -- how do you
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12 further danger or risk to human health or to the
13 environment as a result of the contamination that was on
14 the property as a result of the accident?
15 A Yes.
16 Q What is the basis of that opinion?
17 A All the data that we have gathered and compared
18 to the pertinent, to the applicable ESL's, environmental
19 screen levels.
20 Q So, it is your view now that the contamination
21 that is now on the property does not rise to the level
22 of the ESL's that require further remediation?
23 A That's correct.
24 Q Is it your conclusion, or your opinion, that as
25 long as the contamination on the property does not
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Q Are there some --
A Caveat that with, we are looking mainly at the
relevant, or the open exposure pathway here is
inhalation of indoor air
Q What do you mean, open exposure pathway?
A The pathway that people living in the house
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11 Q So that's the metric, or that's what you are
12 looking at in terms of what would pose a risk to
13 occupants of the property?
14 A That's correct.
15 Q But the groundwater contamination could pose a
16 risk to those who are not on the property?
17 A No.
18 Q Again, because of why?
19 A We have delineated the groundwater
20 contamination, it is extremely minimal, and it is not --
21 it is naturally attenuating. These petroleum
22 hydrocarbons will biodegrade with time, dilute in the
23 sub-surface, so in my opinion there is no way this is
24 going to migrate, really, anywhere.
25 Q Would you agree with me, if it does migrate it
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7 Q Where do you get the -- what is the basis for
8 your opinion that vapor readings which are below the
9 specified ESL's pose no risk to human health or safety?
10 A They are not affecting the indoor air inside of
11 the house.
12 Q Let's say that -- what is a vapor, is it a
13 chemical, or compound, what do you call it that you are
14 reading for?
15 A Typically we will analyze for what is in Orion's
16 reports; TPHG, and BTEX, Benzene, Toluene.
17 Q Let's discuss Benzene. You take an indoor
18 reading of the Benzene levels, and you are finding
19 Benzene, but it is beneath the ESL?
20 A No. The indoor air exceeds the ESL's for
21 Benzene.
22 Q Currently?
23 A Yes, and in the past.
24 Q If the indoor air level exceeds the ESL for
25 Benzene, how do you get to the conclusion that the
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1 remains there. So, I would be -- I would say no, I
2 would not -- I would look to another source.
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19 Q Are you aware that from time to time the
20 governmental entities change the ESL's?
21 A Yes.
22 Q They have done that in the past, correct?
23 A Yes.
24 Q It is possible that they will do that in the
25 future?
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I misunderstood, if today -- the reason you say the
groundwater is safe today is because the contaminants in
the groundwater do not exceed the ESL's set by the
government; is that correct?
A Well, plus the fact that the exposure pathway
that's open, the only one that is open is inhalation of
indoor air, and the groundwater -- nobody is going to
drink the groundwater
Q Now, so we are Clear, it does not matter what
10 the contaminants are in the groundwater, you would never
11 say at any level it is unsafe, you would never say they
12 pose a risk to environment or human health?
13 A As long as the exposure pathway is not complete.
14 Q Right after the accident, say the contamination
15 of the groundwater exceeded the government's ESL's,
16 correct?
17 A Immediately following that, I think it did, it
18 may have.
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Q If the groundwater contamination, even though it
is acceptable to the government, migrates into somebody
else's well, would that person bring a claim against the
property owner from which the contamination originated?
MR. MONTANARI: Objection, incomplete
hypothetical, lacking in foundation.