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  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
  • BRYAN TRUJILLO, et al  vs.  STEPHEN MAGEE, et al(23) Unlimited Other PI/PD/WD document preview
						
                                

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MICHAEL S. DANKO, ESQ. SBN 111359 Electronically mdanko@dankolaw.com DANKO MEREDITH by Superior Court of California, County of San Mateo 333 Twin Dolphin Drive, Suite 145 ON 3/2/2021 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Telephone: (650) 453-3600 By. /s/ Joel Lacey Deputy Clerk Facsimile: (650) 394-8672 Attorneys for Plaintiffs BRYAN TRUJILLO and CINDY TRUJILLO SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN AND FOR THE COUNTY OF SAN MATEO UNLIMITED CIVIL JURISDICTION 10 11 BRYAN TRUJILLO and CINDY TRUJILLO, Case No. 18CIV01901 12 Plaintiffs, PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE 13 Vv. DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS 14 STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; CLUB, INC., AND DOES 1 - 50, DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. 15 Defendants 16 Trial Date: March 8,|2021 Time: 900-a-m- 1:30 p.m. 17 Dept.: Presiding-Judge4 18 Complaint filed: April 17, 2018 19 20 TO DEFENDANTS AND TO THEIR ATTORNEYS OF RECORD: 21 PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that Plaintiffs hereby move this Court for an order in limine 22 excluding the defense expert Mr. Rick Railsback from testifying that the Trujillo’s property is “safe,” 23 that the contaminate levels found on their property poses no threat to the health of individuals 24 occupying or visiting the property, or that the government, by setting a permitted maximum amount 25 of contaminate not requiring remediation, thereby declares that lower levels are “safe.” All such 26 opinions exceed Mr. Railsback’s expertise or amount to speculation. 27 28 -1- PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. This Motion is based on Evidence Code §§ 802, 803, 352, this Notice of Motion and Motion, the attached Memorandum, the Declaration of Miller, all the other pleadings and papers on file in this action, any such other evidence as may be presented, and, if the court desires, oral argument. DATED: February a », 2020 DANKO MEREDITH Attorneys for Plaintiffs 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 -2. pons _ PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES I INTRODUCTION. Defendants’ geologist, Mr. Rick Railsback, seeks to opine that plaintiffs’ property is “safe” for occupants and visitors. Mr. Railsback admits he is not a toxicologist and has no medical experience. He is only a geologist. His only basis for opining that the Trujillo’s property is “safe” is a hearsay statement - in this instance a letter from a government authority informing the plaintiffs that, based on the remaining contamination levels, the site was eligible for “closure.” And notably, the regulatory standards for allowable level of contaminate was revised downward in 2019. As a result, the contaminate level on the property may now, again, be out of compliance. 10 11 Il. LEGAL ARGUMENT. 12 A Mr. Railsback’s Opinions R egarding the H ealth I mpacts of the C ontamination Should 13 be Precluded as Lacking Foundation. 14 Mr. Railsback was disclosed by the defendants as a geologist and he is licensed to engage in 15 geology in Alabama and Texas. (Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, attached to Miller Declaration 16 (hereinafter “Miller Decl.”) as Exh. A.) He was hired by the insurer of the subject aircraft more than 17 a year before litigation was initiated to review the cleanup work being done on the Trujillo property. 18 (Deposition of Rickard Railsback (hereinafter “Railsback Depo.”) at 6:9-20, 8:15-23, 10:12-11:3, 19 attached to Miller Decl. as Exh. B.) In this role, he advised the insurance claims agent and the 20 attorney hired by the insurer, and established budgets for assessment and possible closure of the site! 21 following the homeowners’ initial remediation efforts. (Railsback Depo. at 6:9-20, 8:19-25, 12:4-9, 22 Exh. B.) 23 Mr. Railsback is not qualified to make an assessment as to whether the residual chemicals that 24 presently contaminate the Trujillo property (or for that matter the contamination found on their 25 1 In the context of a property contamination, a site closure occurs after the responsible regulatory agency decides the 26 costs of further remediation exceeds the health benefits. Site closure does not mean that the governmental entity has decided the contamination has been removed. Rather, governmental cleanup standards strike balance between the costs 27 of further cleanup efforts and the health risk of having the residual contamination in place. (See, Health and Safety Code § 25356.1(d)(5).) 28 -3- PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO.3TO EXCLUDE DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. property at any point since the plane crash) pose a threat to the health of either occupants or visitors to the property. During his deposition he admitted he is not a toxicologist and defendants’ expert disclosure does not indicate that he is a physician. (Railsback Depo. at 22:3-12, Exh. B and Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, Exh. A.) B. Mr. Railsback’s Inference That the Trujillo Property is Safe Based on the Government’s Standards Concerning the C ontamination at Issue and Should be Precluded at Trial. During his deposition, Mr. Railsback testified that by February 2019 he inferred the property was safe based on the facts that (1) the property had been cleaned up to the point that the 10 contaminate no longer exceeded the government regulator s allowable limits (Railsback Depo. at 11 7:22-8:14, 11:19-12:3, 12:10-13:3, 15:1-6, 21:3-10, Exh. B) and (2) the government regulator (the 12 San Mateo County Groundwater Protection Program) indicated that it was recommending the case 13 concerning the cleanup of the fuel contamination be closed. (Railsback Depo. at 25:19-26:10, Exh. 14 B.) Knowing nothing about toxicology or public health, Mr. Railsback bases his opinions that the 15 property is “safe” on “what the San Francisco Regional Water Quality Board says” and the fact that 16 he “look[s] to the regulators” for setting maximum contaminate levels. (Railsback Depo. at 21:8- 17 22:18, 29:22-30:5.) 18 Further, Mr. Railsback made clear that it was Orion Environmental that reached conclusions 19 regarding the scope of the contamination still on the property and that he merely adopted those 20 conclusions, rather than develop his own opinions. (Railsback Depo. at 8:15-20, 10:12-11:18, Exh. 21 B,) 22 Again, Mr. Railsback is neither a toxicologist nor a physician. (Railsback Depo. at 22:3-12, 23 Exh. B and Defendants’ Expert Disclosure, Exh. A.) He has no training, education, or experience 24 that would allow him to opine as to the health consequences or impacts on individuals exposed to the 25 contaminates that the airplane dumped onto the property. Mr. Railsback’s speculation as to the 26 meaning of the government's allowable contamination levels, the decision of the regulator 27 recommending site closure, or the impact of Orion Environmental’s work must be excluded pursuant 28 -4- PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO.3TO EXCLUDE DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. to Evidence Code §352 and People v. Sanchez (2016) 63 Cal.4" 665 as such testimony has no probative value, would lead to jury confusion, and constitutes case specific hearsay. It. CONCLUSION. For the foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs respectfully request an order in limine precluding Mr. Railsback from offering opinions that the Trujillo property is “safe,” that contaminate levels that do not exceed the regulatory authority’s maximum permitted levels means a property is safe for the health of a property’s occupants, or that one should just trust the government. All such opinions are beyond the scope of Mr. Railsback’s expertise. 10 DATED: February s 2020 DANKO MEREDITH ll 12 Pe Be Attorney for Plaintiffs 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 5- —— — = PLAINTIFFS’ NOTICE OF MOTION(D MOTION IN LI NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE_ DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. DECLARATION OF SHAWN R. MILLER IN SUPPORT 1 I am an attorney with Danko Meredith, attorney of record for Plaintiffs. I have personal knowledge of the following facts as a result of my being attorney of record and working on this matter on behalf of Plaintiffs and, if called as a witness, would and could truthfully and competently testify thereto. 2 As an associate working on this matter, documents and correspondence concerning this matter are routed to me before being filed. I retrieved the following documents from the firm’s file regarding this matter: a. Defendants’ Disclosure of Expert Witnesses and Declaration which lists Mr. Railsback 10 as a retained expert geologist. A true and correct copy of the Disclosure is attached 11 hereto as Exhibit A; and 12 Deposition transcript of the deposition of Mr. Rick Railsback taken on October 24, 2019. 13 A true and correct copy of excerpts from the Railsback deposition transcript are attached 14 hereto as Exhibit B. 15 16 I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of California that the foregoing is true and 17 correct. 18 19 Dated: February Uf , 2020 wee Shawn R. Miller 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 -6- —_ PLAINTIFFS? NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION IN LIMINE NO. 3 TO EXCLUDE DEFENDANTS’ EXPERT RICK RAILSBACK; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT; DECLARATION IN SUPPORT. EXHIBIT A GARRY L. MONTANARI, State Bar No. 89790 WESLEY S. WENIG, State Bar No. 162351 MICHAELIS, MONTANARI & JOHNSON, P.C. 4333 Park Terrace Dr. #110 Westlake Village, CA 91361 Telephone No.: (818) 865-0444 Attorneys for defendants, STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC. SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF SAN MATEO 10 11 BRYAN TRUJILLO and CINDY Case No.: 18CIV01901 TRUJILLO, Honorable Robert D. Foiles; Dept. 21 12 13 Plaintiffs, DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, 14 VS. INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESSES INFORMATION; 15 DECLARATION OF GARRY L. STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING MONTANARI 16 CLUB, INC. and DOES 1 - 50, (C.C.P, §2034.280) Defendants. 17 18 ALLIED PROPERTY AND CASUALTY INSURANCE COMPANY; AMCO 19 INSURANCE COMPANY, Plaintiffs-in-Intervention, 20 Complaint filed: April 17, 2018 2a. VS. Trial Date: November 4, 2019 22 STEPHEN MAGEE, SAC AERO FLYING 23 CLUB, INC.; AND DOES 1 - 20, 24 Defendants. 25 26 TO EACH PARTY AND TO THEIR ATTORNEYS OF RECORD: 27 Defendants STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC., pursuant to Code 28 of Civil Procedure section 2034.210(a)(b)(c) hereby elect the following persons who will or may oL= DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS INFORMATION testify as an expert witness on behalf of said defendants: RETAINED EXPERTS 1 James K. Purpura, CCM, 930 Tahoe Blvd #802-560, Incline Village, NV 89451; telephone: (775) 636-08553. 2 Captain Barry Schiff, 673 Trueno Ave., Camarillo, CA 93010; telephone: (805) 987- 4561. 3 Ted “JR” Faravelli, T.E. Faravelli & Associates, 2302 Zanker Rd., San Jose, CA 95131; telephone: (408) 954-5996. 4 Zach Romer, Automobile Appraisal Association, P.O. Box 134, Carmichael, CA 10 95608; telephone: (415) 798-0371 (cell) or (888) 595-7551. 11 5 Rick Railsback, Cura Emergency Services, 6205 Capel Hill Blvd. #100, Plano, Texas 12 75093; telephone: (214) 914-7263. a 13 NON-RETAINED EXPERTS 14 1 Defendant Stephen Magee, c/o Michaelis Montanari & Johnson, 33 Park Terrace 15 Dr. #110, Westlake Village, CA 91361; telephone: (818) 865-0444. 16 2. Pearl Pereira, FACS, 21228 Cabot Blvd., Hayward, CA 90221; te one: (510) 266- 17 4600. 18 3 Jose Barragan, Service Advisor, Autobahn Motors, 700 Island Parkway, Belmont, CA 19 94002; telephone: (650) 544-1747. 20 The foregoing expert witnesses are the only witness known to the defendants as of this date. 21 Defendants reserve the right to call additional expert witnesses up to and including the time of trial, 22 including any experts designated by other parties to this action or an expert used for impeachment, 23 pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 2034.310(a)(b). Defendants also reserve the right to 24 withdraw the names of any experts designated above if it is subsequently determined that their 25 testimony is not required at trial. In the event an expert is withdrawn prior to that expert’s 26 deposition, defendants claim that any communications with such experts so withdrawn are protected 27 by the attorney-client and attorney work product privileges. 28 //1 Ds IDEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS [NFORMATION Defendants reserve the right to submit a supplemental expert witness list pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure section 2034.280. In the event that any additional expert witnesses are utilized, their names and addresses will be provided and will be accompanied by an expert witness declaration as set forth in Code of Civil Procedure section 2034.280. DATED: September 16, 2019 MICHAELIS, MONTANARI & JOHNSON By: GARR MONTANARI Attomeyé for Defendants STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC. 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 L7 18 LS 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 3- DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AEROFLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS INFORMATION DECLARATION OF GARRY L. MONTANARI I, GARRY L. MONTANARI, declare as follows: 1 Iam an attorney at law duly licensed to practice before all of the Courts of the State of California. I am a partner of the law firm of Michaelis, Montanari & Johnson, counsel of record for defendants, STEPHEN MAGEE and SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC. The facts stated below are true and correct of my own knowledge. 2. Accompanying this declaration is a list of the persons whose expert opinion testimony, either orally or by deposition testimony, is intended to be offered at trial of this action. The list includes the following persons: 10 3 James K. Purpura, CCM, 930 Tahoe Blvd #802-560, Incline Village, NV 89451; Ll telephone: (775) 636-08553. 12 4 Captain Barry Schiff, 673 Trueno Ave., Camarillo, CA 93010; telephone: (805) 987- 13 4561. 14 5 Ted “JR” Faravelli, T.E. Faravelli & Associates, 2302 Zanker Rd., San Jose, CA 15 95131; telephone: (408) 954-5996. 16 6 Zach Romer, Automobile Appraisal Association, P.O. Box 134, Carmichael, CA 17 95608; telephone: (415) 798-0371 (cell) or (888) 595-7551. 18 7 Rick Railsback, Cura Emergency Services, 6205 Capel Hill Blvd. #100, Plano, Texas 19 75093; telephone: (214) 914-7263. 20 8 Said experts have agreed to testify at trial. 21 9 James K. Purpura, CCM: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of 22 said expert: Mr. Purpura is a Certified Consulting Meteorologist. Attached hereto, marked Exhibit 23 “A,” and incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct copy of the Curriculum Vitae of 24 said expert, James K. Purpura. 25 10. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said 26 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Purpura will be addressing including but not 27 limited to applicable meteorological conditions for the accident flight with emphasis on the weather 28 conditions at or near Half Moon Bay Airport. -4- DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS | NFORMATION ll. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Purpura has not prepared a written report regarding this matter. 12. Mr. Purpura’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $290 per hour. 13. Captain Barry Schiff: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said expert: Captain Schiff is an ATP-rated pilot with over 28,000 flight hours in 357 different aircraft. Attached hereto, marked Exhibit “B,” and incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct copy of the Curriculum Vitae of said expert, Captain Schiff. 14. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said 10 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Captain Schiff will be addressing include piloting 11 with emphasis on pilot weather briefings and aircraft control and piloting techniques for flights into 12 unforecast wind shear. 13 15. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful 14 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases 15 therefor. As of the present date, Captain Schiff has not prepared a written report regarding this 16 matter. 17 16. Captain Schiff’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $300 per hour. 18 17. Ted “JR” Faravelli: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said 19 expert: Mr. Faravelli is a certified real estate appraiser. Attached hereto, marked Exhibit “C,” and 20 incorporated herein by this reference is a true and correct copy of the Curriculum Vitae of said 21 expert, Mr. Faravelli. 22 18. The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said 23 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Faravelli will be addressing including but not 24 limited to alleged diminution in value of plaintiffs’ property and required disclosures. 25 19. Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to ameaningful 26 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases 27 therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Faravelli has not prepared a written report regarding this matter. 28 20. Mr. Faravelli’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $400 per hour. 5. DEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS [INFORMATION 21 Zach Romer: The following is a brief narrative of the qualifications of said expert Mr. Romer is an automobile appraiser. His Curriculum Vitae will be provided. 22 The following is a brief narrative of the general substance of the testimony that said expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. Romer will be addressing including but not limited to alleged diminution in value and loss of sue of plaintiffs’ Sprinter van. 23 Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to a meaningful oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including expert opinions and the bases therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Romer has not prepared a written report regarding this matter. 24. Mr. Romer’s fee for deposition or trial testimony is $300 per hour. oh 10 25 Rick Railsback: The following is a brief narr: alificayae s of said expert: 11 Mr. Railsback is a geologist. The Curriculum Vitae of Mr. ill be piwe 26. The following is a brief narrative of the gendtal t ofthe iby that said cosy 12 SI 3 expert may give at trial: The general issues that Mr. nal C. ing but not 14 limited to pertinent aspects of remediation and monitorin; ll plaintiffs 15 property and abatement thereof. 16 27 Said expert is sufficiently familiar with the 1 tosubmit t eaningful 17 oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, inclu eC] pinions id the bases 18 therefor. As of the present date, Mr. Railsback has not prep: report arding this 19 matter. 20 28 Mr. Railsback’s fee for deposition or trial testim: er hour 21 29. Stephen Magee: He holds FAA ratings private t gle engine 22 land. He has over 1,100 total flight hours. 23 30. The following is a brief narrative of the general S| ice the tes ony of Mr. 24 Magee: he may testify as to the available weather briefings, p 1n| chniqu sed on the 25 accident flight. He is expected to testify consistent with his d S} ‘imony August 16. 26 2019 27 //1 28 HL -6- IDEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS [NFORMATION 31. Mr. Magee is sufficiently familiar with the pending action to submit to a meaningful oral deposition concerning the testimony described above, including his expert opinion and the bases therefor. I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed this 16th day of September 2019 at Westlake Village, California. GARR 5 TTANARTI 10 11 N:\17517\pld\trial\p-exchg.xwit. L_wpd 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 ffs IDEFENDANTS STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC.’S EXCHANGE OF EXPERT WITNESS INFORMATION EXHIBIT B SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA COUNTY OF SAN MATEO BRYAN TRUJILLO AND CINDY TRUJILLO, Plaintiffs, NO. 18 CIV 01901 vs STEPHEN MAGEE AND SAC AERO FLYING CLUB, INC., AND DOES 1-50, Defendants. 10 11 12 13 Deposition of RICKARD RAILSBACK 14 REDWOOD CITY, CALIFORNIA 15 October 24, 2019 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 REPORTED BY: LORNA TRAUBE, CSR No. 6206 24 File No. 3606665 25 Pages 1 - 44 Page 1 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 aircraft? I believe that is the case. You don't know whether or not they insured the pilot? I don't know. You never received that information, or came to an understanding that they insured the pilot? A No. 21 Q Did you ever get an understanding of what the 22 limits of the insurance policy was? 23 A No. 24 Q Did you ever ask for that information? 25 A No. Page 6 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Q When did you complete your work? A Technically, it is really not complete. Q As you sit here today, you have reached some opinions you intend to offer at trial? A If asked, yes. Q What are the opinions that you intend to offer at trial? A You will have to be a little more specific. Well, have you been deposed before? 10 Yes. 11 Have you testified in trial before? 12 Not really trial. I testified at several 13 railroad commission hearings, on oil and gas matters. 14 Q The purpose of the deposition is for me to have 15 the opportunity to hear now whatever opinions you intend 16 to offer at the time of trial. If it is the case that 17 you have no opinions that you intend to offer, then it 18 is a short deposition. If you have opinions, I need to 19 get them now, to find out what they are. 20 A Opinions on the remediation assessment of this 21 matter? Page 7 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 your area of expertise, that you feel that you are prepared to offer at the time of trial. A My general opinions regarding this case are that over the past two plus years we have completed, that is, CURA has overseen the field work done by Orion Environmental on this site, and that we have collected -- as part of the site assessment we have collected numerous soil, groundwater, soil vapor, indoor air samples, at the site. 10 And we have demonstrated conclusively that the 11 property presents no danger or risk to human health and 12 the environment. And the Groundwater Protection Program 13 of San Mateo County and the Regional Water Quality 14 Board, have concurred with this opinion. 15 Q When you say we have demonstrated conclusively, 16 who is we? 17 A CURA, with the assistance of our consultant, 18 Orion Environmental. 19 Q Is Orion -- was Orion retained by CURA? 20 A Yes. 21 Q Who paid Orion's bills? 22 A The insurance company pays Orion's bills 23 directly, after we approve the invoice. 24 Q Avemco? 25 A Yes. Page 8 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 A I did not supply you with the number, but it has been going on since early 2017. So, quite a few hours. Q Amounts to $8,600? A Roughly. Q What is your hourly rate? A Generally, $90 an hour Q So, if my math is correct, that would be about 100 hours, roughly? A There are probably more invoices that have not 10 been issued yet, because we will wait several months 11 before we invoice. Page 10 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 kind of figuring out where the contamination was? A And evaluating the contamination as it relates to the environmental screen levels. Q Do you have an understanding as to why Avemco would pay Orion to do over $100,000 worth of work, just to figure out the scope of the contamination? A You have to figure that out so that you can either plan a remediation plan, or close the site under the -- with the data that you have collected. ALL of 10 this was required by and under -- and done under the 11 direction of the Groundwater Protection Program of San 12 Mateo County, which I will refer to as GPP. 13 Q Did Orion, after spending or charging $100,000 14 or so, come up with conclusions? 15 A Yes. 16 Q What were those conclusions? 17 A Those conclusions were the opinions that I 18 stated earlier. 19 Q That as a result of its work, at this point in 20 time the -- there is no danger -- the contamination on 21 the property presents no danger or risk to human health, 22 or to the environment? 23 A That's correct. 24 Q And as of what time, what point did the work on 25 the property reach the point that there was no further Page 11 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 danger to human health or the environment? A That would be around February of this year, when we issued the last report on the indoor air sampling. Q Did Orion actually do any of the remediation work? A Again, it is a -- we get to definitions, but the actual, quote, remediation work, was the excavation of the contaminated soil, which was done by IRC before we were engaged. 10 Q How did you get to the -- how do you 11 personally -- are you of the opinion that there is no 12 further danger or risk to human health or to the 13 environment as a result of the contamination that was on 14 the property as a result of the accident? 15 A Yes. 16 Q What is the basis of that opinion? 17 A All the data that we have gathered and compared 18 to the pertinent, to the applicable ESL's, environmental 19 screen levels. 20 Q So, it is your view now that the contamination 21 that is now on the property does not rise to the level 22 of the ESL's that require further remediation? 23 A That's correct. 24 Q Is it your conclusion, or your opinion, that as 25 long as the contamination on the property does not Page 12 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Q Are there some -- A Caveat that with, we are looking mainly at the relevant, or the open exposure pathway here is inhalation of indoor air Q What do you mean, open exposure pathway? A The pathway that people living in the house 10 would be potentially exposed to. 11 Q So that's the metric, or that's what you are 12 looking at in terms of what would pose a risk to 13 occupants of the property? 14 A That's correct. 15 Q But the groundwater contamination could pose a 16 risk to those who are not on the property? 17 A No. 18 Q Again, because of why? 19 A We have delineated the groundwater 20 contamination, it is extremely minimal, and it is not -- 21 it is naturally attenuating. These petroleum 22 hydrocarbons will biodegrade with time, dilute in the 23 sub-surface, so in my opinion there is no way this is 24 going to migrate, really, anywhere. 25 Q Would you agree with me, if it does migrate it Page 13 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 7 Q Where do you get the -- what is the basis for 8 your opinion that vapor readings which are below the 9 specified ESL's pose no risk to human health or safety? 10 A They are not affecting the indoor air inside of 11 the house. 12 Q Let's say that -- what is a vapor, is it a 13 chemical, or compound, what do you call it that you are 14 reading for? 15 A Typically we will analyze for what is in Orion's 16 reports; TPHG, and BTEX, Benzene, Toluene. 17 Q Let's discuss Benzene. You take an indoor 18 reading of the Benzene levels, and you are finding 19 Benzene, but it is beneath the ESL? 20 A No. The indoor air exceeds the ESL's for 21 Benzene. 22 Q Currently? 23 A Yes, and in the past. 24 Q If the indoor air level exceeds the ESL for 25 Benzene, how do you get to the conclusion that the Page 15 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 1 remains there. So, I would be -- I would say no, I 2 would not -- I would look to another source. Page 21 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 19 Q Are you aware that from time to time the 20 governmental entities change the ESL's? 21 A Yes. 22 Q They have done that in the past, correct? 23 A Yes. 24 Q It is possible that they will do that in the 25 future? Page 22 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 I misunderstood, if today -- the reason you say the groundwater is safe today is because the contaminants in the groundwater do not exceed the ESL's set by the government; is that correct? A Well, plus the fact that the exposure pathway that's open, the only one that is open is inhalation of indoor air, and the groundwater -- nobody is going to drink the groundwater Q Now, so we are Clear, it does not matter what 10 the contaminants are in the groundwater, you would never 11 say at any level it is unsafe, you would never say they 12 pose a risk to environment or human health? 13 A As long as the exposure pathway is not complete. 14 Q Right after the accident, say the contamination 15 of the groundwater exceeded the government's ESL's, 16 correct? 17 A Immediately following that, I think it did, it 18 may have. Page 25 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 Q If the groundwater contamination, even though it is acceptable to the government, migrates into somebody else's well, would that person bring a claim against the property owner from which the contamination originated? MR. MONTANARI: Objection, incomplete hypothetical, lacking in foundation.