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1 TIMOTHY J. LONG (STATE BAR NO. 137591)
tjlong@orrick.com
2 NICHOLAS J. HORTON (STATE BAR NO. 289417)
nhorton@orrick.com
3 AVALON JOHNSON FITZGERALD (STATE BAR NO. 2881^7)
afitzgeraId@orrick.com
4 ORRICK, HERRINGTON & SUTCLIFFE LLP
400 Capitol Mall, Suite 3000
5 Sacramento, CA 95814-4497
Telephone: +1916 447 8299
6 Facsimile: +1 916 329 4900
7 Attomeys for Defendant
HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC.
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SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
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COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO
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ANDREA SPEARS, an individual, on behalf Consolidated Case No. 34-2017-00210560-
11 of herself and on behalf of all persons similarly CU-OE-GDS
situated,
12 Plaintiff, DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG
IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT HEALTH
13 V. NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC.'S R E P L Y
TO ITS MOTION AS TO WHY SPEARS'
14 HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC., a CASE SHOULD NOT PROCEED AS A
Califomia Corporation; and Does 1 through 50, PAGA REPRESENTATIVE ACTION
15 inclusive.
Date: April 11, 2019
16 Defendants. Time: 10:00 a.m.
Courtroom: Dept. 35
17 Judge: Hon. Alan G. Perkins
18 Complaint Filed: April 5,2017
FAC Filed: June 29, 2017
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Complaint Filed: August 1, 2017
20 TOMAS R. ARANA, on behalf of himself, all
Consolidated Complaint Filed: Dec. 21, 2017
others similarly situated,
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Plaintiff,
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HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC., a
24 California corporation; and DOES 1-50,
inclusive.
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Defendant.
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DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S REPLY
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I, Timothy J. Long, declare as follows:
2 1. I am an active member of the State Bar of Califomia and am authorized to practice
3 before this Court. I am a partner with Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, attorneys of record for
4 Defendant Health Net of Califomia, Inc. ("HNCA"). I make this declaration on personal
5 knowledge and, if swom as a witness, could competently testify to the following facts except
6 where otherwise indicated.
7 2. A tme and correct copy of the relevant portions of Maria Del Pilar Perez's
8 deposition transcript are attached as Exhibit A.
9 3. A true and correct copy of the relevant portions of Eric Lietzow's deposition
10 transcript are attached as Exhibit B.
11 I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of Califomia and that the
12 foregoing is true and correct. Executed this 15*
' ^ day of March, 2019, at Sacramento, Califomia.
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14 By:
TIMOTHY J. LONG
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DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S REPLY
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EXHIBIT A
1 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
2 COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO
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4 ANDREA SPEARS, AN
5 INDIVIDUAL, ON BEHALF OF
HERSELF AND ON BEHALF OF ALL
6 PERSONS SIMILARLY SITUATED,
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8 PLAINTIFF,
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10 VS . CONSOLIDATED WITH
11 CASE NO. 34-2017
12 HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, 002105 60-CU-OE-GDS
ET AL.,
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14 DEFENDANTS.
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16 AND RELATED ACTIONS
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18 DEPOSITION OF MARIA DEL PILAR PEREZ
19 FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2 019
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21 REPORTED BY
22 STEPHANIE J . COHEN,
23 CSR NO. 7920
24 JOB NO. 3187719
25 PAGES 1 - 174
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1 Q I understand t h a t , ma'am. Allow me t o f i n i s h
2 my q u e s t i o n .
3 A I'm being broadsided i n t o saying t h a t I'm
4 making d e c i s i o n s on my own n o t t o take these breaks on
5 time o r n o t t o take these breaks a t a l l .
6 Q Ma'am, please l e t me f i n i s h my q u e s t i o n . I
7 understand i f you knew you were going t o be asked t h a t ,
8 you could go back and look a t t h e c h a r t notes and
9 r e c r e a t e t h e 15th, c o r r e c t ?
10 A Part o f , yes.
11 Q I f you were going t o be asked t o r e c r e a t e any
12 o t h e r day i n which you a l l e g e t h e c r i s e s prevented from
13 you t a k i n g your meal and r e s t breaks, t h a t would r e q u i r e
14 i d e n t i f y i n g which p a t i e n t i t was t h a t day, going i n t o a
15 d i f f e r e n t set of charts. That i s what I'm t r y i n g t o g e t
16 at.
17 I f we were going t o r e c r e a t e t h i s , you would
18 have t o look a t each and every day t o be able t o
19 r e c r e a t e why i t was you d i d not take a meal or r e s t
20 break, c o r r e c t ?
21 MR. PAG; O b j e c t i o n ; vague and ambiguous,
22 argumentative.
23 THE WITNESS: I f you are saying t h a t i t would
24 be i m p o s s i b l e f o r me t o know what I d i d e x a c t l y every
25 s i n g l e day, yeah, t h a t would be.
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_1 BY MR. HORTON:
2_ Q S l i g h t l y d i f f e r e n t q u e s t i o n , ma'am, b u t I
3^ appreciate t h a t .
4_ I understand from your t e s t i m o n y t h a t i f you
5^ would have known you were asked t o r e c r e a t e the 15th t o
show why your work commitments, the work imposed by
1_ H e a l t h Net o f C a l i f o r n i a prevented you from t a k i n g your
8^ r e s t and meal breaks on time, you c o u l d do t h a t .
£ What I am t r y i n g t o ask i s i f you were t o do
10 t h a t f o r any o t h e r day i n which you a l l e g e you were not
11 p r o v i d e d an o p p o r t u n i t y t o take a r e s t break or a meal
12 break, you would have t o l o o k a t t h e s p e c i f i c s o f t h a t
13 day, c o r r e c t ?
14 A That's c o r r e c t .
15 Q I'm not t r y i n g t o i n s i n u a t e a n y t h i n g other than
16 t r y i n g t o f i g u r e out how would we i d e n t i f y what you were
17 doing t h a t day t h a t p r e v e n t e d you from t a k i n g a meal o r
18 r e s t break because you s a i d t h e r e a r e some days you take
19 them on time, c o r r e c t ?
20 .A That's c o r r e c t .
21 Q There are o t h e r days where you take your r e s t
22 breaks, c o r r e c t ?
23 A Not u s u a l l y my r e s t breaks, n o t t h e 15 minutes.
24 Q So i f you are n o t u s u a l l y t a k i n g your r e s t
25 breaks on any o f those days, i f we want t o f i n d out why
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1^ you could n o t take a r e s t break, we would have t o look
2_ a t t h a t day and what you were working on t h a t day,
_3 correct?
4_ A Probably.
5_ Q I know you s a i d -- I f o r g e t t h e exact phrase,
6^ God w i l l i n g , you a c t u a l l y were allowed t o take your
1_ lunch a t e x a c t l y 11:00. There were times when you took
your lunch a t 11:00, c o r r e c t ?
9^ A Yes, t h e r e have been times.
10 Q Your records w i l l show an 11:00 a.m. lunch
11 every day even though t h a t ' s not what was o c c u r r i n g , b u t
12 t h e r e are some days where you d i d take lunch a t 11:00,
13 correct?
14 A That's c o r r e c t .
15 Q I f we were going t o f i g u r e o u t
16 A I c o u l d n ' t t e l l you.
17 Q That's what I am t r y i n g t o g e t a t . Recreating
18 t h e recent day was t o t r y t o get an understanding o f
19 more s p e c i f i c s about what you are doing t h a t i s
20 p r e v e n t i n g you from t a k i n g meal and r e s t breaks so I can
21 t r u l y j u s t understand. I t was a recent day and t h a t ' s
22 why I p i c k e d t h a t day.
23 Broadly, i f we were going t o t r y t o go back i n
24 time and f i g u r e t h a t out f o r each and every day, i t
25 would probably be impossible, c o r r e c t ?
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1^ A Probably.
2 Q I understand, e s p e c i a l l y i n c r i s i s situations,
3 you are making tough d e c i s i o n s about what needs t o
4 happen next and g a t h e r i n g i n f o r m a t i o n f o r people. When
5 you are making outbound c a l l s , you are choosing t o make
6 those c a l l s a t t h a t time whatever the reason may be.
7 It's a crisis. " I t o l d t h i s person I would c a l l back a t
8 a c e r t a i n time."
9 For outbound c a l l s you are making the choice o f
10 when t o make outbound c a l l s , c o r r e c t ?
11 MR. PAG: O b j e c t i o n ; argumentative.
12 THE WITNESS: C o r r e c t .
13 BY MR. HGRTON:
14 Q From your testimony I gather you a l s o r e c e i v e d
15 inbound c a l l s as w e l l , c o r r e c t ?
16 A That's c o r r e c t .
17 Q Have you ever been i n s t r u c t e d t h a t you are
18 o b l i g a t e d t o answer the phone when i t r i n g s ?
19 MR. PAG: Objection; c a l l s f o r contention.
20 THE WITNESS: That I am o b l i g a t e d t o answer the
21 phone?
22 BY MR. HORTON:
23 Q I f i t i s time f o r your r e s t break and a work
24 c a l l comes i n , have you been t o l d you are not a l l o w e d t o
25 l e t i t go t o v o i c e m a i l so you can take your break?
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA )
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2 COUNTY OF VENTURA )
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4 I, Stephanie J. Cohen, CSR 7920, i n and
5 f o r the State o f C a l i f o r n i a , do hereby certify:
That, p r i o r t o being examined, t h e w i t n e s s
6 named i n t h e f o r e g o i n g d e p o s i t i o n was by me d u l y sworn
7 t o t e s t i f y t o the t r u t h , t h e whole t r u t h , and n o t h i n g
8 but the t r u t h ;
9 That s a i d d e p o s i t i o n was taken down by me i n
shorthand a t t h e time and placed t h e r e i n named and
10 t h e r e a f t e r reduced t o t y p e w r i t i n g under my d i r e c t i o n ,
11 and t h e same i s a t r u e , c o r r e c t and complete transcript
12 of s a i d proceedings;
13 That i f the f o r e g o i n g p e r t a i n s t o t h e o r i g i n a l
t r a n s c r i p t i n a Federal Case, b e f o r e c o m p l e t i o n o f t h e
14 proceedings, review o f t h e t r a n s c r i p t ( ) was
15 ( ) was n o t r e q u i r e d .
16 I f u r t h e r c e r t i f y t h a t I am n o t
17 i n t e r e s t e d i n t h e event o f t h e a c t i o n .
18 WITNESS my hand t h i s 6 t h day o f February, 2019,
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C e r t i f i e d Shorthand Reporter
25 C e r t i f i c a t e No. 7920
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1 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE GF CALIFORNIA
2 COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO
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ANDREA SPEARS, an i n d i v i d u a l , on
5 b e h a l f o f h e r s e l f and on b e h a l f
of a l l person s i m i l a r l y
6 situated.
7 Plaintiffs, Case No.
8 vs 34-2017-00210560
CU-OE-GDS
9 HEALTH NET GF CALIFORNIA, INC.,
a C a l i f o r n i a C o r p o r a t i o n , and
10 DOES 1 t h r o u g h 50, i n c l u s i v e .
11 Defendants.
12 TOMAS R. ARANA, on b e h a l f o f
himself, a l l others s i m i l a r l y
13 situated,
14 P l a i n t i i f f s,
15 vs .
16 HEALTH NET GF CALIFORNIA, INC.,
a C a l i f o r n i a C o r p o r a t i o n , and
17 DOES 1 t h r o u g h 50, i n c l u s i v e ,
18 Defendants.
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DEPOSITION OF ERIC R. LIETZOW
21 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA
THURSDAY, MARCH 7, 2019
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23 Job No. 3248510
R e p o r t e d by:
24 RICKI Q. MELTON, RPR
CSR No. 9400
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1 t r i a l testimony; right? 09: 58 :18
2 A Correct. 09: 58 : 19
3 Q Okay. When d i d you o b t a i n your CPA? 09: 58 : 19
4 A I t was i n , I t h i n k , 1999. 09: 58 :26
5 Q And when d i d you o b t a i n your BA from CSU 09: 58 :31
6 Long Beach? 09: 58 :35
7 A That was -- I graduated i n 1995. 09: 58 :36
8 Q So you've been doing your j o b f o r a couple 09: 58 : 44
9 of decades? 09: 58 : 47
10 A Uh-huh, yes. 09: 58 : 48
11 Q And i n your experience, you've worked w i t h 09: 58 :50
12 meal p e r i o d v i o l a t i o n s p e c i f i c a l l e g a t i o n s i n t h e 09: 58 : 55
13' wage and hour cases you've worked on? 09: 58 :59
14 A Yes. 09: 59 : 01
15 Q And when you've provided opinions r e l a t e d 09: 59 :01
16 t o t h a t type o f i n f o r m a t i o n , you t y p i c a l l y are 09: 59 :04
17 r e l y i n g j u s t on e i t h e r Excel f i l e s o r time records; 09: 59 :08
18 correct? 09: 59 :08
19 A Correct. 09: 59 :14
20 Q You've never a c t u a l l y gone o u t and 09: 59 :14
21 i n t e r v i e w e d employees r e l a t e d t o forming an o p i n i o n 09: 59 : 18
22 about damages? 09: 59 :21
23 A That i s c o r r e c t . 09: 59 :22
2_4 Q Okay. And t h a t ' s , t r u e o f t h i s case as 09: 59 :23
25 well? You haven't i n t e r v i e w e d any former or 09: 59 :27
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1 c u r r e n t Health Net employees about the o p i n i o n you 09: 59 :31
2 formed i n t h i s d e c l a r a t i o n ? 09: 59 :34
3 A That's c o r r e c t . 09: 59 :35
4 Q And j u s t t o be c l e a r , you have acted as an 09: 59 :46
5 e x p e r t i n cases where you've had t o c a l c u l a t e meal 09: 59 :49
6 p e r i o d damages under C a l i f o r n i a law? 09: 59 :53
7 A Yes. 09: 59 :54
8 Q How many times have you done t h a t , o r — 09: 59 :55
9 or I guess a b e t t e r q u e s t i o n i s : Of t h e cases 09 :59 :57
10 l i s t e d on your CV, how many o f those cases were you 10 :00 :00
11 asked t o c a l c u l a t e meal p e r i o d damages? 10 :00 :04
12 A Let me take a l o o k . 10 :00 :08
13 At l e a s t f i v e o f those. 10: 00 :23
14 Q And i n any o f those f i v e , d i d you author 10 :00 :26
15 o p i n i o n s r e l a t i v e t o meal p e r i o d damages? 10 :00 :30
16 A I would have produced a d e c l a r a t i o n o r 10: 00 :33
17 r e p o r t t h a t discussed meal p e r i o d damages, p o s s i b l y 10: 00 :36
18 as a p o r t i o n or t h e whole scope o f t h e a n a l y s i s . 10 :00 :39
19 Q And out o f those or any d e c l a r a t i o n t h a t 10: 00 :43
20 you s u b m i t t e d as an e x p e r t f o r wage and hour cases. 10: 00 : 46
21 have any o f those d e c l a r a t i o n s been c h a l l e n g e d i n 10: 00 :49
22 court? 10 :00 :52
23 A Not t o my knowledge. 10: 00 :52
24 Q You've never been d i s q u a l i f i e d as an 10: 00 :58
25 expert? 10 :01 :01
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1 A No. 10 :01 :01
2 Q Good. 10 :01 :02
3 A I know. That could be a problem. 10 :01 :03
4 Q Do you have experience r e v i e w i n g 10 :01 :08
5 timekeeping systems? 10 :01 :10
6 A Systems themselves, no. 10 : 01: 13
7 Q What about r e v i e w i n g a c t u a l employee time 10 :01 : 15
8 cards? 10 :01 :18
9 A I have -- t h e r e a r e cases where we've 10 :01 :18
10 r e c e i v e d a c t u a l time cards as opposed t o e l e c t r o n i c 10 :01 :23
11 data s e v e r a l times a year, I would say. 10 :01 :26
ii . Q Okay. Did you -- you d i d n i t r e p o r t -- or 10 :01 :28
il review any H e a l t h Net p o l i c i e s as p a r t o f t h i s work 10 :01 :32
ii you d i d on t h i s case? 10 :01 :34
il A No, I d i d n o t . 10 :01 :36
16_ Q Do you know t h e method by which time i s 10 :01 :37
17 recorded f o r h o u r l y employees a t Health Net? 10 :01 :40
ii A I'm t r y i n q t o remember what I was t o l d on 10 :01 :43
ii t h a t , and as I s i t here, I don't r e c a l l what t h a t 10 : 01:46
20 method was. 10 :01 :50
11 Q I s i t f a i r t o say the methodology o f how 10 :01 :52
22 they use t h e i r timekeeping system wasn't a p a r t o f 10 :01 :54
23 the data s e t t h a t you reviewed f o r t h i s 10 :01 :58
11 declaration? 10 :02 :00
25 A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :02 :01
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1 Q And do you know how meal and r e s t breaks 10 : 02:01
2 are s t r u c t u r e d a t Health Net? 10 : 02:07
3 A No, I do n o t . 10 : 02:09
4. Q And do you know t h e method by which 10 :02 : 10
5 p a y r o l l i s processed a t Health Net? 10 : 02:16
6 A No, I do n o t . 10 :02 : 18
7 Q And you d i d n ' t review any o f t h a t data f o r 10 :02 : 19
8 your d e c l a r a t i o n ? 10 :02 :22
9 A No. 10 : 02:22
iO Q And then i n terms o f the conclusions you 10 : 02:23
11 made, you're a numbers quy, and you l o o k a t t h e 10 : 02:29
il numbers on t h e sheet, and they s p i t o u t some 10 : 02:34
il output; r i g h t ? 10 : 02:37
14 A Correct. 10 : 02:38
il Q I t ' s f a i r t o say t h a t , i f t h e i n p u t i s 10 : 02:38
lA based on an assumption t h a t ' s not c o r r e c t , i t c o u l d 10 : 02:41
17 a f f e c t t h e output being n o t c o r r e c t ; right? 10 : 02:44
ii A That i s c o r r e c t . I t c o u l d impact t h e 10 : 02:46
il output. 10 :02 :48
20 Q Okay. When were you f i r s t r e t a i n e d by t h e 10 :02 :48
21 Blumenthal f i r m f o r t h i s case? 10 : 02:54
22 A I b e l i e v e i t was around December o f 2017. 10 : 02:55
23 Q And what was t h e scope o f t h e work i n 2017 10 : 03:03
24 i n December t h a t you were asked t o -- t o work on? 10 : 03: 06
25 A I b e l i e v e i n i t i a l l y I had been p r o v i d e d 10 :03 :08
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1 numbers from them i n t h e a c t u a l a n a l y s i s . 10 :05 :30
2 Q Okay. I s i t your o p i n i o n t h a t t h e 10 :05 :32
3. timekeeping and p a y r o l l records t h a t you reviewed 10 :05 : 35
£ confirmed t h a t employees indeed were prevented from 10 :05 :38
5 t a k i n g meal breaks? 10 :05 :43
6 A I would not say i t proves t h a t they were 10 : 05 :46
2 prevented. 10 :05 : 47
8 I t proves t h a t , i n g e n e r a l , when 10 :05 :48
9 v i o l a t i o n s were observed, i t was because they were 10 :05 :50
il taken l a t e r than t h e end o f the f i f t h work hour. 10 :05 :53
11 but i t doesn't show whether they were prevented o r 10 :05 :56
12 not from t a k i n g those breaks. 10 :05 :59:
13 Q The data you reviewed wouldn't t e l l you 10 :06 •00
ii one way o r another whether somebody decided t o go 10 : 06 :.03
15 l a t e on t h e i r own; r i g h t ? 10 :06 :05
16 A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :06 :07
17 Q And, o f course, t h e data wouldn't i n d i c a t e 10 : 06:13
ii whether someone was encouraged o r discouraged t o 10 : 06:16
il take a break; right? 10 :06 :19
20. A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :06 :20
21 MS. MUKHERJEE: I ' l l j u s t interpose a l a t e 10 : 06:22
22 objection. O b j e c t i o n t o t h e e x t e n t i t seeks a 10 :06 :25
23 legal conclusion. 10 :06 :28
li BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 :06 :31
25 Q So no p a r t o f t h e d e c l a r a t i o n o r your 10 : 06: 31
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1 o p i n i o n r e l a t e s t o whether or n o t employees 10 :06 :35
2 a c t u a l l y were denied t h e a b i l i t y t o take a break? 10 :06 :36
3 A Correct. 10: 06 :41
4. Q And no p a r t o f your o p i n i o n r e l a t e s t o 10: 06 :42
5 whether o r n o t Health Net a c t u a l l y v i o l a t e d any law 10 :06 :47
6. w i t h respect t o meal breaks; right? 10: 06 : 51
2 A Well, I mean, i t i d e n t i f i e s p e r i o d s where 10 :06 : 56
8. breaks were taken on an u n t i m e l y manner. 10: 06 :59
9 Whether or n o t they -- t h a t was due t o 10: 07 :02
il Health Net's p o l i c i e s and procedures t h a t made them 10: 07 :04
1_1 take l a t e r breaks versus them v o l u n t a r i l y choosing 10: 07 :08
12 t h a t so t h a t should have happened, i t does n o t go 10: 07 : 13
il into that analysis. 10: 07 :16
ii Q Right. 10 :07 :16
il Because you d i d n ' t review any p o l i c i e s ? 10: 07 :17
16 A Correct. 10: 07 :19
22 Q And you d i d n ' t review any procedures? 10: 07 :20
ii A Correct. 10: 07 :22
19 Q So i t -- i t would be beyond t h e scope of 10: 07 :22
your e x p e r t i s e t o opine on t h e p o l i c i e s and 10: 07 :26
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li procedures o f Health Net; r i g h t ? 10: 07 :28
22 A Correct. 10: 07 :30
23 Q And i f indeed you made t h a t o p i n i o n , you 10: 07 :30
24 would be s p e c u l a t i n g ; r i g h t ? 10: 07 :36
25 A Yes. 10: 07 :36
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1 opportunity? 10: 10 :01
2 A Yes, t h a t ' s my u n d e r s t a n d i n g . 10: 10 :01
3 Q Okay. You weren't r e t a i n e d by the 10: 10 :03
Blumenthal f i r m t o a c t u a l l y go o u t and i n v e s t i g a t e 10: 10 :07
5 v i o l a t i o n s o f t h e law; r i g h t ? 10: 10 :10
6 A Correct. 10: 10 :12
2 Q And i f we -- I'm n o t going t o make us do 10: 10 : 12
8 t h i s , b u t i f we went through t h e a c t u a l data s e t s . 10: 10 :21
9_ you wouldn't be able t o i d e n t i f y any one p a r t i c u l a r 10: 10 :23
10 •instance where a v i o l a t i o n o f law occurred? 10: 10 :26
12 A I wouldn't be able t o p o s i t i v e l y identify 10: 10 :29
il i t because I would not have t h e i n f o r m a t i o n o f 10: 10 : 32
13 whether i t was caused by t h e employer r e s u l t i n g i n 10: 10 :34
a l a t e r m i s s i n g break o r i f t h e employee chose t o 10: 10 :38
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il do t h a t . Correct. 10: 10 :42
16 Q Right. 10: 10 :43
22 And so t h e data wouldn't -- wouldn't p a i n t 10: 10 :43
ii that f u l l picture? 10: 10 :46
A Correct. 10: 10 :47
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Q And j u s t t o f l e s h t h a t o u t , t h e -- t h e 10: 10 :47
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reason i s because n o t h i n g i n t h e data r e f l e c t s 10: 11 :00
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whether an employee had a p a r t i c u l a r reason or 10: 11 :03
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choice o r agency i n t h e d e c i s i o n t o e i t h e r take a 10: 11 : 07
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li break a couple minutes a f t e r t h e y ' r e supposed t o or 10: 11 : 10
25 come back e a r l y from a break; r i g h t ? 10: 11 :15
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2 A Yes, t h a t ' s correct. 10: 11 : 18
2 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection that i t c a l l s 10: 11 : 18
3 for a legal conclusion. 10: 11 :19
2 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10: 11 :22
5 Q And same f o r i f an employee decided " I 10: 11 :22
e want t o get some more work done. I don't need t o 10: 11 :24
2 take a break." The data wouldn't t e l l you whether 10: 11 :28
8 or not they made t h a t d e c i s i o n themselves? 10: 11 :30
9 A I don't b e l i e v e so. 10: 11 :32
10 MS. MUKHERJEE: Same o b j e c t i o n . 10 : 11 : 34
11 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 : 11 :34
il Q Do you know what i t would take t o a c t u a l l y 10 : 11 :41
21 determine i f a meal p e r i o d v i o l a t i o n occurred? 10: 11 :45
ii MS. MUKHERJEE: Same o b j e c t i o n t o t h e 10: 11 :50
21 extent i t c a l l s f o r a legal conclusion. 10 : 11 :51
21 THE WITNESS: I believe' i t — I mean, i t 10: 11 :54
22 would take some s o r t o f documentation e i t h e r o f -- 10: 11 :57
ii I know I've seen c e r t a i n employers have 10: 11 : 59
ii documentation where they a f f i r m a t i v e l y o r -- say 10: 12 :.02
20 whether o r not they chose t o not take a break o r 10: 12 : 05
22 chose t o take i t l a t e . 10: 12 :08
22 I don't b e l i e v e those records are p r o b a b l y 10: 12 :10
23 available i n t h i s employer, a t l e a s t not t h a t I've 10: 12 : 13
24 seen. 10: 12 :16
25 P o s s i b l y , once again, i n t e r v i e w s w i t h 10: 12 : 17
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2 employees a n d / o r management may p r o v i d e more 10 : 12: 19
2 insight into that, but at this point, I have seen 10 : 12:22
3 no d a t a one way o r t h e o t h e r w h e t h e r o r n o t i t was 10 : 12:25
4 an employee's c h o i c e o r i f i t was due t o t h e 10 : 12:28
5 r e s t r i c t i o n s p u t on by t h e e m p l o y e r why — as t o 10 : 12:31
6 most o f t h e v i o l a t i o n s i d e n t i f i e d were f o r u n t i m e l y 10 : 12:35
2 breaks. So I'm g o i n g t o m o s t l y stick with that. 10 :12 : 38
8 Q Meaning -- meaning y o u e v a l u a t e d people 10 :12 : 41
9 . taking o r numbers s h o w i n g t h a t individuals took 10 : 12: 44
21 breaks a f t e r t h e f i f t h hour? 10 : 12: 47
22 A Yes. 10 : 12: 49
21 Q Okay. I t might also help t o understand 10 : 12:53
21 t h e work e n v i r o n m e n t -- r i g h t ? -- i n d e t e r m i n i n g 10 : 12:54
14 whether v i o l a t i o n s occurred? 10 :12 :57
21 A Yes. 10 :12 :59
21 Q And i t m i g h t -- 10 :13 :00
22 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection. Calls for a 10 :13 :00
21 legal conclusion. 10 :13 :00
ii I'm sorry. I d i d n ' t mean t o c u t you o f f . 10 :13 :02
20 THE WITNESS: That's okay. 10 :13 :05
li BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 :13 :07
li. Q And i t m i g h t help t o understand 10 :13 :08
23 individuals' schedules r e l a t i v e t o t h e i r personal 10 : 13:13
ii life? 10 :13 : 17
25 A P o t e n t i a l l y -- 10 :13 :19
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2 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection. Calls f o r a 10 :13 :20
2 legal conclusion. 10: 13 :22
3 Go ahead. 10: 13 :22
2 THE WITNESS: Potentially. 10: 13 :23
5 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10: 13 :25
6. Q And w i t h a l l o f those p o t e n t i a l pieces o f 10: 13 :25
2 i n f o r m a t i o n , you d i d n ' t -- you d i d n ' t review any o f 10: 13 :29
8 t h a t i n making your f i n d i n g s here? 10: 13 :31
9. A That i s c o r r e c t . 10: 13 :33
21 Q You weren't asked t o speak w i t h any 10: 13 :33
11 c u r r e n t or former employees o f H e a l t h Net; right? 10: 13 :39
ii A Correct. 10: 13 :42
21 Q And d i d you review any d e c l a r a t i o n s or 10: 13 :42
ii w r i t i n g s from c u r r e n t or former employees i n making 10 :13 :46
21 vour conclusions? 10: 13 :49
21 A I was n o t p r o v i d e d w i t h any d e c l a r a t i o n s 10: 13 :49
17 or w r i t i n g s . 10: 13 :51
21 Q And, t h e r e f o r e , you d i d n o t review any? 10: 13 : 52
ii A Correct. 10: 13 :54
20 Q The t a s k you were asked t o do i s t o look 10: 14 :01
21 a t time and p a y r o l l records and make a d e t e r m i n a t i o n 10: 14 :03
22 based on your u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e parameters o f 10 :14 :06
23 the law; r i g h t ? 10: 14 :10
24 A Correct. 10: 14 :11
25 Q Okay. And then you were asked by 10: 14 :11
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1 d e s c r i b e your methodology as t o how you made t h e 10: 15 :40
2 calculations; right?. 10 :15 : 43
3 A Correct, related s p e c i f i c a l l y t o t h e meal 10: 15 : 45
4 breaks themselves o r p o t e n t i a l meal b r e a k v i o l a t i o n s 10: 15 :50
5 themselves. 10: 15 :52
6 Q Okay. And t h i s p a r a g r a p h s 6 t h r o u g h 11 10 :15 :53
7 accurately describes that methodology? 10: 15 :58
8 A I b e l i e v e so, yes. 10 :15 :59
9 Q And as a c l a r i f i c a t i o n , i n p a r a g r a p h 9, 10: 16 :09
10 you'll see you s t a t e d f o r y o u r c u r r e n t a n a l y s i s you 10 :16 : 11
11 l i m i t e d t h e data t o A p r i l S t h , 2016, t h r o u g h 10 :16 :16
12 December 3 1 s t , 2017. 10: 16 :27
13 I'm i m a g i n i n g t h a t ' s a t y p o . 10: 16 :29
14 A Yes, because i t was o n l y l i k e an 10: 16 :30
15 eight-month period. I t was 20- -- December o f 10: 16 : 32
16 2016, correct. 10: 16 :36
17 Q Okay. So i t s h o u l d r e f l e c t December 3 1 s t , 10: 16 : 37
18 2016, i s t h e end d a t e o f t h e d a t a t h a t you r e v i e w e d 10 :16 :40
19 for this calculation? 10: 16 :43
20 A Correct. 10: 16 : 44
ii- Q Paragraph 10, you use t h e word "potential" 10 :16 : 44
il t o say t o i d e n t i f y days w i t h a p o t e n t i a l meal 10 :17 :00
23 break v i o l a t i o n . You -- you l o o k e d a t days w i t h 10: 17 :04
11 g r e a t e r t h a n s i x h o u r s o f work. 10 :17 :07
25 Why d i d you use t h e word "potential"? 10: 17 :09
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2 A Because o f t h e issues we've already talked 10 : 17: 11
2 about where t h e data doesn't show whether i t was an 10 : 17: 13
3 employee choice versus reguirement o f t h e j o b . 10 : 17:17
2 Q Okay. And t h a t ' s j u s t t o be c l e a r , 10 : 17: 19
5 i t ' s because you weren't asked t o opine on whether 10 : 17:33
6 they a c t u a l l y had a meal break c u t s h o r t ; right? 10 : 17:36
2 A As caused by t h e employer, c o r r e c t . 10 : 17: 38
8. Q And you weren't asked t o opine whether 10 : 17:40
9 an t h e employer caused an employee t o miss a 10 : 17:44
21 meal break? 10 : 17:47
22 A Correct. 10 :17 :47
21 Q You are n o t asked t o opine on whether t h e 10 :17 :48
21 employer caused t h e employee t o take a meal break 10 : 17:51
ii late? 10 : 17:54
21 A Correct. 10 : 17:54
16 Q And you make t h a t same c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n i n 10 : 17: 54
17 paragraph 11, l i n e 28, " p o t e n t i a l meal break 10 : 18:00
18 violation." 10 : 18:04
19 You say t h a t f o r t h e same reasons? 10 :18 :04
20 A Yes. 10 :18 :05
21 Q I n paragraph 12 a t l i n e 5, you r e f e r t o 10 :18 :12
22 them as v i o l a t i o n s . 10 :18 :16
23 I s i t your e x p e r t o p i n i o n that that 10 : 18: 19
24 accurately c h a r a c t e r i z e s what took place? 10 :18 :24
25 A "Based on these p o t e n t i a l v i o l a t i o n s , " I 10 :18 :28
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1 guess, would have been a more accurate d e s c r i p t i o n . 10 : 18:31
2 Q Okay. So r e f e r r i n g t o them a s ' v i o l a t i o n s . 10 : 18:33
3 i t ' s n o t your c o n c l u s i o n t h a t a v i o l a t i o n a c t u a l l y 10 : 18: 35
2 occurred? 10 : 18: 40
5 A Correct. Assuming t h a t i t was due t o t h e 10 : 18: 40
6 employer's a c t i v i t i e s , i t would p o t e n t i a l l y be a 10 : 18: 43
2 v i o l a t i o n , b u t once again, I don't know one way o r 10 : 18:48
1 the other. 10 : 18: 51
9 Q Right. 10 : 18:52
21 And t h a t ' s n o t your area o f e x p e r t i s e t o 10 : 18: 52
22 go o u t and f i g u r e o u t i f a v i o l a t i o n occurred? 10 :18 :54
ii A Correct. 10 :18 : 57
21 Q And you wer
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FILED BY FAX 1 TIMOTHY J. LONG (STATE BAR NO. 137591) tjlong@orrick.com 2 NICHOLAS J. HORTON (STATE BAR NO. 289417) nhorton@orrick.com 3 AVALON JOHNSON FITZGERALD (STATE BAR NO. 2881^7) afitzgeraId@orrick.com 4 ORRICK, HERRINGTON & SUTCLIFFE LLP 400 Capitol Mall, Suite 3000 5 Sacramento, CA 95814-4497 Telephone: +1916 447 8299 6 Facsimile: +1 916 329 4900 7 Attomeys for Defendant HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC. 8 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 9 COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO 10 ANDREA SPEARS, an individual, on behalf Consolidated Case No. 34-2017-00210560- 11 of herself and on behalf of all persons similarly CU-OE-GDS situated, 12 Plaintiff, DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT HEALTH 13 V. NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC.'S R E P L Y TO ITS MOTION AS TO WHY SPEARS' 14 HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC., a CASE SHOULD NOT PROCEED AS A Califomia Corporation; and Does 1 through 50, PAGA REPRESENTATIVE ACTION 15 inclusive. Date: April 11, 2019 16 Defendants. Time: 10:00 a.m. Courtroom: Dept. 35 17 Judge: Hon. Alan G. Perkins 18 Complaint Filed: April 5,2017 FAC Filed: June 29, 2017 19 Complaint Filed: August 1, 2017 20 TOMAS R. ARANA, on behalf of himself, all Consolidated Complaint Filed: Dec. 21, 2017 others similarly situated, 21 Plaintiff, 22 23 HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INC., a 24 California corporation; and DOES 1-50, inclusive. 25 Defendant. 26 27 28 DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S REPLY 4I31-0018-I274 I, Timothy J. Long, declare as follows: 2 1. I am an active member of the State Bar of Califomia and am authorized to practice 3 before this Court. I am a partner with Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, attorneys of record for 4 Defendant Health Net of Califomia, Inc. ("HNCA"). I make this declaration on personal 5 knowledge and, if swom as a witness, could competently testify to the following facts except 6 where otherwise indicated. 7 2. A tme and correct copy of the relevant portions of Maria Del Pilar Perez's 8 deposition transcript are attached as Exhibit A. 9 3. A true and correct copy of the relevant portions of Eric Lietzow's deposition 10 transcript are attached as Exhibit B. 11 I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of Califomia and that the 12 foregoing is true and correct. Executed this 15* ' ^ day of March, 2019, at Sacramento, Califomia. 13 14 By: TIMOTHY J. LONG 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 DECLARATION OF TIMOTHY J. LONG IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S REPLY 4I31-00I8-I274 EXHIBIT A 1 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 2 COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO 3 4 ANDREA SPEARS, AN 5 INDIVIDUAL, ON BEHALF OF HERSELF AND ON BEHALF OF ALL 6 PERSONS SIMILARLY SITUATED, 7 8 PLAINTIFF, 9 10 VS . CONSOLIDATED WITH 11 CASE NO. 34-2017 12 HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, 002105 60-CU-OE-GDS ET AL., 13 14 DEFENDANTS. 15 16 AND RELATED ACTIONS 17 18 DEPOSITION OF MARIA DEL PILAR PEREZ 19 FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2 019 20 21 REPORTED BY 22 STEPHANIE J . COHEN, 23 CSR NO. 7920 24 JOB NO. 3187719 25 PAGES 1 - 174 Page 1 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A 1 Q I understand t h a t , ma'am. Allow me t o f i n i s h 2 my q u e s t i o n . 3 A I'm being broadsided i n t o saying t h a t I'm 4 making d e c i s i o n s on my own n o t t o take these breaks on 5 time o r n o t t o take these breaks a t a l l . 6 Q Ma'am, please l e t me f i n i s h my q u e s t i o n . I 7 understand i f you knew you were going t o be asked t h a t , 8 you could go back and look a t t h e c h a r t notes and 9 r e c r e a t e t h e 15th, c o r r e c t ? 10 A Part o f , yes. 11 Q I f you were going t o be asked t o r e c r e a t e any 12 o t h e r day i n which you a l l e g e t h e c r i s e s prevented from 13 you t a k i n g your meal and r e s t breaks, t h a t would r e q u i r e 14 i d e n t i f y i n g which p a t i e n t i t was t h a t day, going i n t o a 15 d i f f e r e n t set of charts. That i s what I'm t r y i n g t o g e t 16 at. 17 I f we were going t o r e c r e a t e t h i s , you would 18 have t o look a t each and every day t o be able t o 19 r e c r e a t e why i t was you d i d not take a meal or r e s t 20 break, c o r r e c t ? 21 MR. PAG; O b j e c t i o n ; vague and ambiguous, 22 argumentative. 23 THE WITNESS: I f you are saying t h a t i t would 24 be i m p o s s i b l e f o r me t o know what I d i d e x a c t l y every 25 s i n g l e day, yeah, t h a t would be. Page 108 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A _1 BY MR. HORTON: 2_ Q S l i g h t l y d i f f e r e n t q u e s t i o n , ma'am, b u t I 3^ appreciate t h a t . 4_ I understand from your t e s t i m o n y t h a t i f you 5^ would have known you were asked t o r e c r e a t e the 15th t o show why your work commitments, the work imposed by 1_ H e a l t h Net o f C a l i f o r n i a prevented you from t a k i n g your 8^ r e s t and meal breaks on time, you c o u l d do t h a t . £ What I am t r y i n g t o ask i s i f you were t o do 10 t h a t f o r any o t h e r day i n which you a l l e g e you were not 11 p r o v i d e d an o p p o r t u n i t y t o take a r e s t break or a meal 12 break, you would have t o l o o k a t t h e s p e c i f i c s o f t h a t 13 day, c o r r e c t ? 14 A That's c o r r e c t . 15 Q I'm not t r y i n g t o i n s i n u a t e a n y t h i n g other than 16 t r y i n g t o f i g u r e out how would we i d e n t i f y what you were 17 doing t h a t day t h a t p r e v e n t e d you from t a k i n g a meal o r 18 r e s t break because you s a i d t h e r e a r e some days you take 19 them on time, c o r r e c t ? 20 .A That's c o r r e c t . 21 Q There are o t h e r days where you take your r e s t 22 breaks, c o r r e c t ? 23 A Not u s u a l l y my r e s t breaks, n o t t h e 15 minutes. 24 Q So i f you are n o t u s u a l l y t a k i n g your r e s t 25 breaks on any o f those days, i f we want t o f i n d out why Page 109 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A 1^ you could n o t take a r e s t break, we would have t o look 2_ a t t h a t day and what you were working on t h a t day, _3 correct? 4_ A Probably. 5_ Q I know you s a i d -- I f o r g e t t h e exact phrase, 6^ God w i l l i n g , you a c t u a l l y were allowed t o take your 1_ lunch a t e x a c t l y 11:00. There were times when you took your lunch a t 11:00, c o r r e c t ? 9^ A Yes, t h e r e have been times. 10 Q Your records w i l l show an 11:00 a.m. lunch 11 every day even though t h a t ' s not what was o c c u r r i n g , b u t 12 t h e r e are some days where you d i d take lunch a t 11:00, 13 correct? 14 A That's c o r r e c t . 15 Q I f we were going t o f i g u r e o u t 16 A I c o u l d n ' t t e l l you. 17 Q That's what I am t r y i n g t o g e t a t . Recreating 18 t h e recent day was t o t r y t o get an understanding o f 19 more s p e c i f i c s about what you are doing t h a t i s 20 p r e v e n t i n g you from t a k i n g meal and r e s t breaks so I can 21 t r u l y j u s t understand. I t was a recent day and t h a t ' s 22 why I p i c k e d t h a t day. 23 Broadly, i f we were going t o t r y t o go back i n 24 time and f i g u r e t h a t out f o r each and every day, i t 25 would probably be impossible, c o r r e c t ? Page 110 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A 1^ A Probably. 2 Q I understand, e s p e c i a l l y i n c r i s i s situations, 3 you are making tough d e c i s i o n s about what needs t o 4 happen next and g a t h e r i n g i n f o r m a t i o n f o r people. When 5 you are making outbound c a l l s , you are choosing t o make 6 those c a l l s a t t h a t time whatever the reason may be. 7 It's a crisis. " I t o l d t h i s person I would c a l l back a t 8 a c e r t a i n time." 9 For outbound c a l l s you are making the choice o f 10 when t o make outbound c a l l s , c o r r e c t ? 11 MR. PAG: O b j e c t i o n ; argumentative. 12 THE WITNESS: C o r r e c t . 13 BY MR. HGRTON: 14 Q From your testimony I gather you a l s o r e c e i v e d 15 inbound c a l l s as w e l l , c o r r e c t ? 16 A That's c o r r e c t . 17 Q Have you ever been i n s t r u c t e d t h a t you are 18 o b l i g a t e d t o answer the phone when i t r i n g s ? 19 MR. PAG: Objection; c a l l s f o r contention. 20 THE WITNESS: That I am o b l i g a t e d t o answer the 21 phone? 22 BY MR. HORTON: 23 Q I f i t i s time f o r your r e s t break and a work 24 c a l l comes i n , have you been t o l d you are not a l l o w e d t o 25 l e t i t go t o v o i c e m a i l so you can take your break? Page 111 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A STATE OF CALIFORNIA ) ) ss. 2 COUNTY OF VENTURA ) 3 4 I, Stephanie J. Cohen, CSR 7920, i n and 5 f o r the State o f C a l i f o r n i a , do hereby certify: That, p r i o r t o being examined, t h e w i t n e s s 6 named i n t h e f o r e g o i n g d e p o s i t i o n was by me d u l y sworn 7 t o t e s t i f y t o the t r u t h , t h e whole t r u t h , and n o t h i n g 8 but the t r u t h ; 9 That s a i d d e p o s i t i o n was taken down by me i n shorthand a t t h e time and placed t h e r e i n named and 10 t h e r e a f t e r reduced t o t y p e w r i t i n g under my d i r e c t i o n , 11 and t h e same i s a t r u e , c o r r e c t and complete transcript 12 of s a i d proceedings; 13 That i f the f o r e g o i n g p e r t a i n s t o t h e o r i g i n a l t r a n s c r i p t i n a Federal Case, b e f o r e c o m p l e t i o n o f t h e 14 proceedings, review o f t h e t r a n s c r i p t ( ) was 15 ( ) was n o t r e q u i r e d . 16 I f u r t h e r c e r t i f y t h a t I am n o t 17 i n t e r e s t e d i n t h e event o f t h e a c t i o n . 18 WITNESS my hand t h i s 6 t h day o f February, 2019, 19 20 21 22 23 24 STEPHANIE J. COHEN C e r t i f i e d Shorthand Reporter 25 C e r t i f i c a t e No. 7920 Page 174 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT A EXHIBIT B 1 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE GF CALIFORNIA 2 COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO 3 4 ANDREA SPEARS, an i n d i v i d u a l , on 5 b e h a l f o f h e r s e l f and on b e h a l f of a l l person s i m i l a r l y 6 situated. 7 Plaintiffs, Case No. 8 vs 34-2017-00210560 CU-OE-GDS 9 HEALTH NET GF CALIFORNIA, INC., a C a l i f o r n i a C o r p o r a t i o n , and 10 DOES 1 t h r o u g h 50, i n c l u s i v e . 11 Defendants. 12 TOMAS R. ARANA, on b e h a l f o f himself, a l l others s i m i l a r l y 13 situated, 14 P l a i n t i i f f s, 15 vs . 16 HEALTH NET GF CALIFORNIA, INC., a C a l i f o r n i a C o r p o r a t i o n , and 17 DOES 1 t h r o u g h 50, i n c l u s i v e , 18 Defendants. 19 20 DEPOSITION OF ERIC R. LIETZOW 21 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA THURSDAY, MARCH 7, 2019 22 23 Job No. 3248510 R e p o r t e d by: 24 RICKI Q. MELTON, RPR CSR No. 9400 25 PAGES 1 - 8 1 Page 1 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBITB 1 t r i a l testimony; right? 09: 58 :18 2 A Correct. 09: 58 : 19 3 Q Okay. When d i d you o b t a i n your CPA? 09: 58 : 19 4 A I t was i n , I t h i n k , 1999. 09: 58 :26 5 Q And when d i d you o b t a i n your BA from CSU 09: 58 :31 6 Long Beach? 09: 58 :35 7 A That was -- I graduated i n 1995. 09: 58 :36 8 Q So you've been doing your j o b f o r a couple 09: 58 : 44 9 of decades? 09: 58 : 47 10 A Uh-huh, yes. 09: 58 : 48 11 Q And i n your experience, you've worked w i t h 09: 58 :50 12 meal p e r i o d v i o l a t i o n s p e c i f i c a l l e g a t i o n s i n t h e 09: 58 : 55 13' wage and hour cases you've worked on? 09: 58 :59 14 A Yes. 09: 59 : 01 15 Q And when you've provided opinions r e l a t e d 09: 59 :01 16 t o t h a t type o f i n f o r m a t i o n , you t y p i c a l l y are 09: 59 :04 17 r e l y i n g j u s t on e i t h e r Excel f i l e s o r time records; 09: 59 :08 18 correct? 09: 59 :08 19 A Correct. 09: 59 :14 20 Q You've never a c t u a l l y gone o u t and 09: 59 :14 21 i n t e r v i e w e d employees r e l a t e d t o forming an o p i n i o n 09: 59 : 18 22 about damages? 09: 59 :21 23 A That i s c o r r e c t . 09: 59 :22 2_4 Q Okay. And t h a t ' s , t r u e o f t h i s case as 09: 59 :23 25 well? You haven't i n t e r v i e w e d any former or 09: 59 :27 Page 19 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 c u r r e n t Health Net employees about the o p i n i o n you 09: 59 :31 2 formed i n t h i s d e c l a r a t i o n ? 09: 59 :34 3 A That's c o r r e c t . 09: 59 :35 4 Q And j u s t t o be c l e a r , you have acted as an 09: 59 :46 5 e x p e r t i n cases where you've had t o c a l c u l a t e meal 09: 59 :49 6 p e r i o d damages under C a l i f o r n i a law? 09: 59 :53 7 A Yes. 09: 59 :54 8 Q How many times have you done t h a t , o r — 09: 59 :55 9 or I guess a b e t t e r q u e s t i o n i s : Of t h e cases 09 :59 :57 10 l i s t e d on your CV, how many o f those cases were you 10 :00 :00 11 asked t o c a l c u l a t e meal p e r i o d damages? 10 :00 :04 12 A Let me take a l o o k . 10 :00 :08 13 At l e a s t f i v e o f those. 10: 00 :23 14 Q And i n any o f those f i v e , d i d you author 10 :00 :26 15 o p i n i o n s r e l a t i v e t o meal p e r i o d damages? 10 :00 :30 16 A I would have produced a d e c l a r a t i o n o r 10: 00 :33 17 r e p o r t t h a t discussed meal p e r i o d damages, p o s s i b l y 10: 00 :36 18 as a p o r t i o n or t h e whole scope o f t h e a n a l y s i s . 10 :00 :39 19 Q And out o f those or any d e c l a r a t i o n t h a t 10: 00 :43 20 you s u b m i t t e d as an e x p e r t f o r wage and hour cases. 10: 00 : 46 21 have any o f those d e c l a r a t i o n s been c h a l l e n g e d i n 10: 00 :49 22 court? 10 :00 :52 23 A Not t o my knowledge. 10: 00 :52 24 Q You've never been d i s q u a l i f i e d as an 10: 00 :58 25 expert? 10 :01 :01 Page 20 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBITB 1 A No. 10 :01 :01 2 Q Good. 10 :01 :02 3 A I know. That could be a problem. 10 :01 :03 4 Q Do you have experience r e v i e w i n g 10 :01 :08 5 timekeeping systems? 10 :01 :10 6 A Systems themselves, no. 10 : 01: 13 7 Q What about r e v i e w i n g a c t u a l employee time 10 :01 : 15 8 cards? 10 :01 :18 9 A I have -- t h e r e a r e cases where we've 10 :01 :18 10 r e c e i v e d a c t u a l time cards as opposed t o e l e c t r o n i c 10 :01 :23 11 data s e v e r a l times a year, I would say. 10 :01 :26 ii . Q Okay. Did you -- you d i d n i t r e p o r t -- or 10 :01 :28 il review any H e a l t h Net p o l i c i e s as p a r t o f t h i s work 10 :01 :32 ii you d i d on t h i s case? 10 :01 :34 il A No, I d i d n o t . 10 :01 :36 16_ Q Do you know t h e method by which time i s 10 :01 :37 17 recorded f o r h o u r l y employees a t Health Net? 10 :01 :40 ii A I'm t r y i n q t o remember what I was t o l d on 10 :01 :43 ii t h a t , and as I s i t here, I don't r e c a l l what t h a t 10 : 01:46 20 method was. 10 :01 :50 11 Q I s i t f a i r t o say the methodology o f how 10 :01 :52 22 they use t h e i r timekeeping system wasn't a p a r t o f 10 :01 :54 23 the data s e t t h a t you reviewed f o r t h i s 10 :01 :58 11 declaration? 10 :02 :00 25 A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :02 :01 Page 21 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 Q And do you know how meal and r e s t breaks 10 : 02:01 2 are s t r u c t u r e d a t Health Net? 10 : 02:07 3 A No, I do n o t . 10 : 02:09 4. Q And do you know t h e method by which 10 :02 : 10 5 p a y r o l l i s processed a t Health Net? 10 : 02:16 6 A No, I do n o t . 10 :02 : 18 7 Q And you d i d n ' t review any o f t h a t data f o r 10 :02 : 19 8 your d e c l a r a t i o n ? 10 :02 :22 9 A No. 10 : 02:22 iO Q And then i n terms o f the conclusions you 10 : 02:23 11 made, you're a numbers quy, and you l o o k a t t h e 10 : 02:29 il numbers on t h e sheet, and they s p i t o u t some 10 : 02:34 il output; r i g h t ? 10 : 02:37 14 A Correct. 10 : 02:38 il Q I t ' s f a i r t o say t h a t , i f t h e i n p u t i s 10 : 02:38 lA based on an assumption t h a t ' s not c o r r e c t , i t c o u l d 10 : 02:41 17 a f f e c t t h e output being n o t c o r r e c t ; right? 10 : 02:44 ii A That i s c o r r e c t . I t c o u l d impact t h e 10 : 02:46 il output. 10 :02 :48 20 Q Okay. When were you f i r s t r e t a i n e d by t h e 10 :02 :48 21 Blumenthal f i r m f o r t h i s case? 10 : 02:54 22 A I b e l i e v e i t was around December o f 2017. 10 : 02:55 23 Q And what was t h e scope o f t h e work i n 2017 10 : 03:03 24 i n December t h a t you were asked t o -- t o work on? 10 : 03: 06 25 A I b e l i e v e i n i t i a l l y I had been p r o v i d e d 10 :03 :08 Page 22 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 numbers from them i n t h e a c t u a l a n a l y s i s . 10 :05 :30 2 Q Okay. I s i t your o p i n i o n t h a t t h e 10 :05 :32 3. timekeeping and p a y r o l l records t h a t you reviewed 10 :05 : 35 £ confirmed t h a t employees indeed were prevented from 10 :05 :38 5 t a k i n g meal breaks? 10 :05 :43 6 A I would not say i t proves t h a t they were 10 : 05 :46 2 prevented. 10 :05 : 47 8 I t proves t h a t , i n g e n e r a l , when 10 :05 :48 9 v i o l a t i o n s were observed, i t was because they were 10 :05 :50 il taken l a t e r than t h e end o f the f i f t h work hour. 10 :05 :53 11 but i t doesn't show whether they were prevented o r 10 :05 :56 12 not from t a k i n g those breaks. 10 :05 :59: 13 Q The data you reviewed wouldn't t e l l you 10 :06 •00 ii one way o r another whether somebody decided t o go 10 : 06 :.03 15 l a t e on t h e i r own; r i g h t ? 10 :06 :05 16 A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :06 :07 17 Q And, o f course, t h e data wouldn't i n d i c a t e 10 : 06:13 ii whether someone was encouraged o r discouraged t o 10 : 06:16 il take a break; right? 10 :06 :19 20. A That i s c o r r e c t . 10 :06 :20 21 MS. MUKHERJEE: I ' l l j u s t interpose a l a t e 10 : 06:22 22 objection. O b j e c t i o n t o t h e e x t e n t i t seeks a 10 :06 :25 23 legal conclusion. 10 :06 :28 li BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 :06 :31 25 Q So no p a r t o f t h e d e c l a r a t i o n o r your 10 : 06: 31 Page 25 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 o p i n i o n r e l a t e s t o whether or n o t employees 10 :06 :35 2 a c t u a l l y were denied t h e a b i l i t y t o take a break? 10 :06 :36 3 A Correct. 10: 06 :41 4. Q And no p a r t o f your o p i n i o n r e l a t e s t o 10: 06 :42 5 whether o r n o t Health Net a c t u a l l y v i o l a t e d any law 10 :06 :47 6. w i t h respect t o meal breaks; right? 10: 06 : 51 2 A Well, I mean, i t i d e n t i f i e s p e r i o d s where 10 :06 : 56 8. breaks were taken on an u n t i m e l y manner. 10: 06 :59 9 Whether or n o t they -- t h a t was due t o 10: 07 :02 il Health Net's p o l i c i e s and procedures t h a t made them 10: 07 :04 1_1 take l a t e r breaks versus them v o l u n t a r i l y choosing 10: 07 :08 12 t h a t so t h a t should have happened, i t does n o t go 10: 07 : 13 il into that analysis. 10: 07 :16 ii Q Right. 10 :07 :16 il Because you d i d n ' t review any p o l i c i e s ? 10: 07 :17 16 A Correct. 10: 07 :19 22 Q And you d i d n ' t review any procedures? 10: 07 :20 ii A Correct. 10: 07 :22 19 Q So i t -- i t would be beyond t h e scope of 10: 07 :22 your e x p e r t i s e t o opine on t h e p o l i c i e s and 10: 07 :26 20 li procedures o f Health Net; r i g h t ? 10: 07 :28 22 A Correct. 10: 07 :30 23 Q And i f indeed you made t h a t o p i n i o n , you 10: 07 :30 24 would be s p e c u l a t i n g ; r i g h t ? 10: 07 :36 25 A Yes. 10: 07 :36 Page 26 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 opportunity? 10: 10 :01 2 A Yes, t h a t ' s my u n d e r s t a n d i n g . 10: 10 :01 3 Q Okay. You weren't r e t a i n e d by the 10: 10 :03 Blumenthal f i r m t o a c t u a l l y go o u t and i n v e s t i g a t e 10: 10 :07 5 v i o l a t i o n s o f t h e law; r i g h t ? 10: 10 :10 6 A Correct. 10: 10 :12 2 Q And i f we -- I'm n o t going t o make us do 10: 10 : 12 8 t h i s , b u t i f we went through t h e a c t u a l data s e t s . 10: 10 :21 9_ you wouldn't be able t o i d e n t i f y any one p a r t i c u l a r 10: 10 :23 10 •instance where a v i o l a t i o n o f law occurred? 10: 10 :26 12 A I wouldn't be able t o p o s i t i v e l y identify 10: 10 :29 il i t because I would not have t h e i n f o r m a t i o n o f 10: 10 : 32 13 whether i t was caused by t h e employer r e s u l t i n g i n 10: 10 :34 a l a t e r m i s s i n g break o r i f t h e employee chose t o 10: 10 :38 ii il do t h a t . Correct. 10: 10 :42 16 Q Right. 10: 10 :43 22 And so t h e data wouldn't -- wouldn't p a i n t 10: 10 :43 ii that f u l l picture? 10: 10 :46 A Correct. 10: 10 :47 19 Q And j u s t t o f l e s h t h a t o u t , t h e -- t h e 10: 10 :47 20 reason i s because n o t h i n g i n t h e data r e f l e c t s 10: 11 :00 21 whether an employee had a p a r t i c u l a r reason or 10: 11 :03 22 choice o r agency i n t h e d e c i s i o n t o e i t h e r take a 10: 11 : 07 23 li break a couple minutes a f t e r t h e y ' r e supposed t o or 10: 11 : 10 25 come back e a r l y from a break; r i g h t ? 10: 11 :15 Page 29 Veritext Legal Solutions 8.66 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 2 A Yes, t h a t ' s correct. 10: 11 : 18 2 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection that i t c a l l s 10: 11 : 18 3 for a legal conclusion. 10: 11 :19 2 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10: 11 :22 5 Q And same f o r i f an employee decided " I 10: 11 :22 e want t o get some more work done. I don't need t o 10: 11 :24 2 take a break." The data wouldn't t e l l you whether 10: 11 :28 8 or not they made t h a t d e c i s i o n themselves? 10: 11 :30 9 A I don't b e l i e v e so. 10: 11 :32 10 MS. MUKHERJEE: Same o b j e c t i o n . 10 : 11 : 34 11 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 : 11 :34 il Q Do you know what i t would take t o a c t u a l l y 10 : 11 :41 21 determine i f a meal p e r i o d v i o l a t i o n occurred? 10: 11 :45 ii MS. MUKHERJEE: Same o b j e c t i o n t o t h e 10: 11 :50 21 extent i t c a l l s f o r a legal conclusion. 10 : 11 :51 21 THE WITNESS: I believe' i t — I mean, i t 10: 11 :54 22 would take some s o r t o f documentation e i t h e r o f -- 10: 11 :57 ii I know I've seen c e r t a i n employers have 10: 11 : 59 ii documentation where they a f f i r m a t i v e l y o r -- say 10: 12 :.02 20 whether o r not they chose t o not take a break o r 10: 12 : 05 22 chose t o take i t l a t e . 10: 12 :08 22 I don't b e l i e v e those records are p r o b a b l y 10: 12 :10 23 available i n t h i s employer, a t l e a s t not t h a t I've 10: 12 : 13 24 seen. 10: 12 :16 25 P o s s i b l y , once again, i n t e r v i e w s w i t h 10: 12 : 17 Page 30 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 2 employees a n d / o r management may p r o v i d e more 10 : 12: 19 2 insight into that, but at this point, I have seen 10 : 12:22 3 no d a t a one way o r t h e o t h e r w h e t h e r o r n o t i t was 10 : 12:25 4 an employee's c h o i c e o r i f i t was due t o t h e 10 : 12:28 5 r e s t r i c t i o n s p u t on by t h e e m p l o y e r why — as t o 10 : 12:31 6 most o f t h e v i o l a t i o n s i d e n t i f i e d were f o r u n t i m e l y 10 : 12:35 2 breaks. So I'm g o i n g t o m o s t l y stick with that. 10 :12 : 38 8 Q Meaning -- meaning y o u e v a l u a t e d people 10 :12 : 41 9 . taking o r numbers s h o w i n g t h a t individuals took 10 : 12: 44 21 breaks a f t e r t h e f i f t h hour? 10 : 12: 47 22 A Yes. 10 : 12: 49 21 Q Okay. I t might also help t o understand 10 : 12:53 21 t h e work e n v i r o n m e n t -- r i g h t ? -- i n d e t e r m i n i n g 10 : 12:54 14 whether v i o l a t i o n s occurred? 10 :12 :57 21 A Yes. 10 :12 :59 21 Q And i t m i g h t -- 10 :13 :00 22 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection. Calls for a 10 :13 :00 21 legal conclusion. 10 :13 :00 ii I'm sorry. I d i d n ' t mean t o c u t you o f f . 10 :13 :02 20 THE WITNESS: That's okay. 10 :13 :05 li BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10 :13 :07 li. Q And i t m i g h t help t o understand 10 :13 :08 23 individuals' schedules r e l a t i v e t o t h e i r personal 10 : 13:13 ii life? 10 :13 : 17 25 A P o t e n t i a l l y -- 10 :13 :19 Page 31 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 2 MS. MUKHERJEE: Objection. Calls f o r a 10 :13 :20 2 legal conclusion. 10: 13 :22 3 Go ahead. 10: 13 :22 2 THE WITNESS: Potentially. 10: 13 :23 5 BY MR. WERTHEIM: 10: 13 :25 6. Q And w i t h a l l o f those p o t e n t i a l pieces o f 10: 13 :25 2 i n f o r m a t i o n , you d i d n ' t -- you d i d n ' t review any o f 10: 13 :29 8 t h a t i n making your f i n d i n g s here? 10: 13 :31 9. A That i s c o r r e c t . 10: 13 :33 21 Q You weren't asked t o speak w i t h any 10: 13 :33 11 c u r r e n t or former employees o f H e a l t h Net; right? 10: 13 :39 ii A Correct. 10: 13 :42 21 Q And d i d you review any d e c l a r a t i o n s or 10: 13 :42 ii w r i t i n g s from c u r r e n t or former employees i n making 10 :13 :46 21 vour conclusions? 10: 13 :49 21 A I was n o t p r o v i d e d w i t h any d e c l a r a t i o n s 10: 13 :49 17 or w r i t i n g s . 10: 13 :51 21 Q And, t h e r e f o r e , you d i d n o t review any? 10: 13 : 52 ii A Correct. 10: 13 :54 20 Q The t a s k you were asked t o do i s t o look 10: 14 :01 21 a t time and p a y r o l l records and make a d e t e r m i n a t i o n 10: 14 :03 22 based on your u n d e r s t a n d i n g o f t h e parameters o f 10 :14 :06 23 the law; r i g h t ? 10: 14 :10 24 A Correct. 10: 14 :11 25 Q Okay. And then you were asked by 10: 14 :11 Page 32 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 d e s c r i b e your methodology as t o how you made t h e 10: 15 :40 2 calculations; right?. 10 :15 : 43 3 A Correct, related s p e c i f i c a l l y t o t h e meal 10: 15 : 45 4 breaks themselves o r p o t e n t i a l meal b r e a k v i o l a t i o n s 10: 15 :50 5 themselves. 10: 15 :52 6 Q Okay. And t h i s p a r a g r a p h s 6 t h r o u g h 11 10 :15 :53 7 accurately describes that methodology? 10: 15 :58 8 A I b e l i e v e so, yes. 10 :15 :59 9 Q And as a c l a r i f i c a t i o n , i n p a r a g r a p h 9, 10: 16 :09 10 you'll see you s t a t e d f o r y o u r c u r r e n t a n a l y s i s you 10 :16 : 11 11 l i m i t e d t h e data t o A p r i l S t h , 2016, t h r o u g h 10 :16 :16 12 December 3 1 s t , 2017. 10: 16 :27 13 I'm i m a g i n i n g t h a t ' s a t y p o . 10: 16 :29 14 A Yes, because i t was o n l y l i k e an 10: 16 :30 15 eight-month period. I t was 20- -- December o f 10: 16 : 32 16 2016, correct. 10: 16 :36 17 Q Okay. So i t s h o u l d r e f l e c t December 3 1 s t , 10: 16 : 37 18 2016, i s t h e end d a t e o f t h e d a t a t h a t you r e v i e w e d 10 :16 :40 19 for this calculation? 10: 16 :43 20 A Correct. 10: 16 : 44 ii- Q Paragraph 10, you use t h e word "potential" 10 :16 : 44 il t o say t o i d e n t i f y days w i t h a p o t e n t i a l meal 10 :17 :00 23 break v i o l a t i o n . You -- you l o o k e d a t days w i t h 10: 17 :04 11 g r e a t e r t h a n s i x h o u r s o f work. 10 :17 :07 25 Why d i d you use t h e word "potential"? 10: 17 :09 Page 34 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 2 A Because o f t h e issues we've already talked 10 : 17: 11 2 about where t h e data doesn't show whether i t was an 10 : 17: 13 3 employee choice versus reguirement o f t h e j o b . 10 : 17:17 2 Q Okay. And t h a t ' s j u s t t o be c l e a r , 10 : 17: 19 5 i t ' s because you weren't asked t o opine on whether 10 : 17:33 6 they a c t u a l l y had a meal break c u t s h o r t ; right? 10 : 17:36 2 A As caused by t h e employer, c o r r e c t . 10 : 17: 38 8. Q And you weren't asked t o opine whether 10 : 17:40 9 an t h e employer caused an employee t o miss a 10 : 17:44 21 meal break? 10 : 17:47 22 A Correct. 10 :17 :47 21 Q You are n o t asked t o opine on whether t h e 10 :17 :48 21 employer caused t h e employee t o take a meal break 10 : 17:51 ii late? 10 : 17:54 21 A Correct. 10 : 17:54 16 Q And you make t h a t same c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n i n 10 : 17: 54 17 paragraph 11, l i n e 28, " p o t e n t i a l meal break 10 : 18:00 18 violation." 10 : 18:04 19 You say t h a t f o r t h e same reasons? 10 :18 :04 20 A Yes. 10 :18 :05 21 Q I n paragraph 12 a t l i n e 5, you r e f e r t o 10 :18 :12 22 them as v i o l a t i o n s . 10 :18 :16 23 I s i t your e x p e r t o p i n i o n that that 10 : 18: 19 24 accurately c h a r a c t e r i z e s what took place? 10 :18 :24 25 A "Based on these p o t e n t i a l v i o l a t i o n s , " I 10 :18 :28 Page 35 Veritext Legal Solutions 866 299-5127 EXHIBIT B 1 guess, would have been a more accurate d e s c r i p t i o n . 10 : 18:31 2 Q Okay. So r e f e r r i n g t o them a s ' v i o l a t i o n s . 10 : 18:33 3 i t ' s n o t your c o n c l u s i o n t h a t a v i o l a t i o n a c t u a l l y 10 : 18: 35 2 occurred? 10 : 18: 40 5 A Correct. Assuming t h a t i t was due t o t h e 10 : 18: 40 6 employer's a c t i v i t i e s , i t would p o t e n t i a l l y be a 10 : 18: 43 2 v i o l a t i o n , b u t once again, I don't know one way o r 10 : 18:48 1 the other. 10 : 18: 51 9 Q Right. 10 : 18:52 21 And t h a t ' s n o t your area o f e x p e r t i s e t o 10 : 18: 52 22 go o u t and f i g u r e o u t i f a v i o l a t i o n occurred? 10 :18 :54 ii A Correct. 10 :18 : 57 21 Q And you wer