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  • Gregory Welch, Priscilla Welch v. Skylift Contractor Corp., 260-261 Madison Avenue, Llc, Bay Crane Service Inc., Marine & Industrial Supply Company, Inc., D/B/A Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Hanes Supply, Inc. As Successor-By-Merger To And/Or D/B/A Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling, Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling Torts - Other Negligence (Personal Injury) document preview
  • Gregory Welch, Priscilla Welch v. Skylift Contractor Corp., 260-261 Madison Avenue, Llc, Bay Crane Service Inc., Marine & Industrial Supply Company, Inc., D/B/A Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Hanes Supply, Inc. As Successor-By-Merger To And/Or D/B/A Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling, Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling Torts - Other Negligence (Personal Injury) document preview
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  • Gregory Welch, Priscilla Welch v. Skylift Contractor Corp., 260-261 Madison Avenue, Llc, Bay Crane Service Inc., Marine & Industrial Supply Company, Inc., D/B/A Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Hanes Supply, Inc. As Successor-By-Merger To And/Or D/B/A Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling, Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling Torts - Other Negligence (Personal Injury) document preview
  • Gregory Welch, Priscilla Welch v. Skylift Contractor Corp., 260-261 Madison Avenue, Llc, Bay Crane Service Inc., Marine & Industrial Supply Company, Inc., D/B/A Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Hanes Supply, Inc. As Successor-By-Merger To And/Or D/B/A Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling, Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling Torts - Other Negligence (Personal Injury) document preview
  • Gregory Welch, Priscilla Welch v. Skylift Contractor Corp., 260-261 Madison Avenue, Llc, Bay Crane Service Inc., Marine & Industrial Supply Company, Inc., D/B/A Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Marine & Industrial Testing Solutions, Hanes Supply, Inc. As Successor-By-Merger To And/Or D/B/A Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling, Paul'S Wire Rope & Sling Torts - Other Negligence (Personal Injury) document preview
						
                                

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FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 PROCEEDINGS 1455 1 MR. FODEMAN: Thank you, Judge. 2 DIRECT EXAMINATION OF MR. COSBAN 3 BY MR. FODEMAN 4 Q: Mr. Cosban, good morning. 5 A: Good morning. 6 Q: What do you do for a living? 7 A: I'm a crane operator. 8 Q: And just make sure that mic is close enough so we can 9 all hear. Great. How long have you been a crane operator, sir? 10 A: Thirty years. 11 Q: Were you operating a mobile crane in the vicinity of 261 12 Madison Avenue on May 31, 2015? 13 A: Yes, I was. 14 Q: I'm going to talk to you, obviously, about that 15 incident, but before we get there, I want to talk to you a little 16 bit about your background -- 17 A: Okay. 18 Q: -- experience. Alright? 19 A: Yes. 20 Q: How old are you, sir? 21 A: Fifty. 22 Q: And how was it that you came to become a crane operator? 23 A: Through my family. My family, uncles, and cousins are 24 all crane operators. 25 Q: Do you hold any licenses or certifications? Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007775 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1456 1 A: Yes. Numerous. 2 Q: Can you just tell us some of the licenses and 3 certifications that you currently hold? 4 A: Yes. I have a, a Class B unlimited license from New 5 York City. I have -- 6 Q: Is that a crane operator's license? 7 A: Yes, it is. I have NCCO, all six certifications. I've 8 a state license, New York State crane license unlimited, and OSHA 9 40, 40 hour OSHA card also. 10 Q: Okay. I'm going to sh-, you might have the exhibits in 11 front of you, but do you have Respondent's Exhibit 69 in front of 12 you? 13 A: This one. The licensing? 14 Q: Yes. Is Respondent's 69 a copy of your current 15 licenses? 16 A: Yes, it is. 17 MR. FODEMAN: Your Honor, at this time, I'd offer 18 Respondent's 69 into evidence. 19 ALJ GARCIA: Any objections? 20 MS. PENA: No objections. 21 ALJ GARCIA: Without objection, Respondent's 69 is 22 admitted into evidence. 23 [Respondent's Exhibit 69 admitted into evidence.] 24 MR. FODEMAN: Thank you, Judge. 25 Q: In respect to some of these, have you taken safety Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007776 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1457 1 courses and training courses? 2 A: Yes, I have. 3 Q: Describe just some of the courses you've taken over 4 time. 5 A: I've taken refresher courses, OSHA. I've taken my state 6 license, my city license, and the NCCO certifications. 7 Q: Are you certified or have you received specific training 8 with respect to any particular types of cranes? 9 A: Yes, I have. 10 Q: And is the Liebherr 1500 mobile crane one of the types 11 of cranes that you've received training and certification on? 12 A: Yes, it is. 13 Q: Was that the type of crane you were operating on May 31, 14 2015 at 261 Madison Avenue? 15 A: Yes. 16 Q: If you know, do you know approximately how many people 17 in New York City crane operators are certified to operate that 18 specific crane? 19 A: Probably five, five guys. 20 Q: Okay. And who was the first? 21 A: Myself. 22 Q: How long have you been operating that crane? 23 A: Since 2002. 24 Q: That was when the first one was brought to New York 25 City? Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007777 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1458 1 A: Yes. 2 Q: And can you estimate how many times you've operated the 3 crane since 2002? 4 A: I would say thou- thousands -- 5 Q: Thousands. 6 A: -- of hours, yes. 7 Q: Thousands of hours. And with respect to -- well, let me 8 take a step back. Can you estimate for us the number of crane 9 rigging operations you've participated in in your, what, 30 years 10 of crane operator experience? 11 A: I would say thousands of rigging. Yes, definitely 12 thousands. 13 Q: Mostly here in New York City? 14 A: Yes. And, you know, out of the state too. 15 Q: I know you're modest, but can you describe some of the 16 more significant operations you've participated in over your 17 experience? 18 A: Just a lot of rigging in the City. 19 Q: Any specific jobs that we would all know about? 20 A: Just, I did the Concord, did the Concord, the space 21 shuttle. I've done lifts, Ground Zero lifts -- 22 Q: What's the tallest crane you've operated? 23 A: Was the, was 507 for the boom, the, on a crawler crane. 24 Q: That's 507 feet tall? 25 A: Yes. Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007778 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1459 1 Q: That's like 50 stories? 2 A: Yes. 3 Q: And was that at the time the tallest crane ever operated 4 in New York City? 5 A: Yes, it was. 6 Q: Am I correct that the job on May 31, 2015 involved 7 lifting HVAC machinery into an existing high rise building? 8 A: Yes. 9 Q: Is that something that you'd done prior to May 31, 2015? 10 A: Yes, numerous times. 11 Q: Can you give us an estimate of how many times you've 12 been involved in an operation such as that? 13 A: Probably on an everyday basis doing riggings, stuff like 14 that. I was rigging obstacles into a building on a roof. 15 Q: You mean articles? 16 A: Yes. 17 Q: Okay. Are you familiar with the various rules and 18 regulations governing crane operators and the operations of cranes 19 in New York City? 20 A: Yes, I am. 21 Q: What are some of the agencies that operate, that 22 regulate crane operators here in New York? 23 A: Department of Buildings, DOT, OSHA. 24 Q: As a crane operator, what sorts of companies hire you to 25 do work for them? Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007779 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1460 1 A: Old rigging companies, regular construction companies in 2 the City, mostly rigging. 3 Q: And what are some of the rigging companies that you have 4 been hired to do work for? 5 A: They're Alco, Able Rigging, GTI, Brothers Rigging, 6 Pedowitz Machinery Movers, Tishman, Turner, you know -- 7 Q: Those are construction. 8 A: Well, those are construction, but numerous rigging 9 companies. I can't think of them all on top of my head. 10 Q: Okay. And have you worked for Skylift as a rigging 11 company? 12 A: Oh, yes, Skylift, yes. 13 Q: Okay. And was the Skylift the company you were working 14 for on May 31, 2015? 15 A: Yes, it was. 16 Q: And just to be clear, that list of companies you gave 17 us, those were all different rigging companies, except for the 18 last couple. Right? Those last two were construction companies? 19 A: Yes. 20 Q: Had you ever worked for Skylift prior to May 31, 2015? 21 A: Yes, I have. 22 Q: Can you estimate how many times you've been hired by 23 them? 24 A: Probably since I started in my, my career, from that 25 point, again, thousands of times, you know. The rigging companies Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007780 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 [09:57:49] COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1461 1 with Skylift every year numerous times. 2 Q: Do you know who the owners of Skylift are? 3 A: Yes. Frank Allecia and Brad. 4 Q: Brad Allecia. 5 A: Brad Allecia. 6 Q: How long have you worked with Frank Allecia? 7 A: Since I started my career. It's when I met Frank. 8 Q: So that's 30 years or so? 9 A: Yes. 10 Q: And how long have you know Brad Allecia? 11 A: Brad, must be 20 years. 12 Q: Since he started in the industry? 13 A: Yes. 14 Q: And have you worked personally with both those men? 15 A: Yes, I have. 16 Q: What types of jobs have you done with Skylift over the 17 years? 18 A: Numerous rigging jobs. Chillers, which, you know, go 19 into machinery rooms, whether it's on top of the building or 20 inside, you know, the building. Just numerous rigging jobs. 21 Q: Did, are you familiar with the term master rigger? 22 A: Yes. 23 Q: Do you know if anyone at Skylift is a master rigger? 24 A: Yes. Brad. 25 Q: Have you worked with other master riggers over the years Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007781 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1462 1 aside from Brad? 2 A: Yes, I have. 3 Q: From other companies. 4 A: Yes. 5 Q: And based on your personal observation, how does Brad 6 compare with the other master riggers with whom you've worked in 7 terms of competence and knowledge and character? 8 A: I would say he's the top one that I've worked with. 9 Q: Have you ever seen Brad Allecia do anything you 10 considered unsafe or careless? 11 A: No, not at all. 12 Q: Would you work with a master rigger or a rigging company 13 you considered to be careless or unsafe? 14 A: No, 'cause it would be detrimental to my career. 15 Q: Why, why do you say that? 16 A: If a master rigger, you know, did something, if he was 17 doing things that were wrong or unsafe, then it could affect my 18 license, you know, affect me. 19 Q: How about your life? 20 A: Well, yeah, affects my life, of course. 21 Q: Are you familiar with Skylift's rigging equipment that 22 they use in connection with their rigging operations? 23 A: Yes, I am. 24 Q: How would you generally describe that equipment that 25 Skylift uses? Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007782 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1463 1 A: State of the art. 2 Q: Have you ever seen then hesitate to take a piece of 3 equipment out of service? Have they ever hesitated to do that? 4 A: Oh, yes. 5 Q: When you say that, what do you mean? 6 A: If, if any piece was old or, you know, an old piece or 7 something that doesn't look like they would just take out of 8 service, you know, and -- 9 Q: Never hesitated. Never, never thought twice about it. 10 A: Correct. 11 Q: You told us you were the op-, crane operator at 261 12 Madison Avenue that day? Is that correct? 13 A: Yes. 14 Q: And, again, just in your own words, describe what the 15 nature of that rigging operation was. 16 A: It was to set the crane up and to hoist machinery into 17 the building. 18 Q: Okay. And that's an existing high rise building? 19 A: Yes, it is. 20 Q: And what type of, generally, what type of machinery are 21 we talking about? 22 A: It would be air conditioning, cooling, you know, towers, 23 chillers. 24 Q: And was that to go on top of the building or into the 25 side of the building? Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007783 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1464 1 A: Inside the building on the side to the machinery room. 2 Q: Was this type of job unusual for you as a crane 3 operator? 4 A: No. 5 Q: Was it unusual for Skylift? 6 A: Nope. 7 Q: Is it unusual to occur, based on your experience of 30 8 years, is it unusual type of job that hap- happening in New York 9 City? 10 A: No. 11 Q: Were you involved in the planning of the job? 12 A: Well, not, not planning, but I would see the plans and 13 go over them at the day of the setup. 14 Q: Is that the crane placement drawing? 15 A: Yes. 16 Q: Okay. Is that something, who, do you know who prepared 17 that in this case? 18 A: It would be the engineer and, and Brad. 19 Q: And do you know who the engineer was on this, on this 20 job? 21 A: I believe it was Delgado Engineering. 22 Q: In addition to reviewing those plans, the crane 23 placement drawing, did you have any other role prior to May 31, 24 2015 in connection with this rigging operation? 25 A: I believe I, I did, months before pick that piece off Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007784 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1465 1 the truck when it got delivered to the yard. They would hire me 2 to go to their yard and, you know, take the pieces off. And then 3 Thursday before, I repacked it again and loaded it on the trailer 4 to go to the job. 5 Q: Okay. So you went to Skylift to ready the units that 6 were going to be hoisted on May 31st onto the delivery truck. 7 A: Yes. 8 Q: Did, I assume you used a crane to do that. Is that 9 correct? 10 A: Yes, a smaller crane, a cherry picker, yep. 11 Q: Okay. Was that crane that you utilized, you think it was 12 the Thursday prior? 13 A: Yes, 'cause they usually load out before the weekend and 14 it's usually Thursday. 15 Q: And this incident happened on a weekend. 16 A: Yes, sir. 17 Q: And the crane that you were using, that cherry picker, 18 did it have a scale? Was it equipped with a scale? 19 A: Yes, it is. 20 Q: And how accurate is that scale? 21 A: It's got to be accurate. It's 100 percent accurate. 22 Q: And did you obtain a weight on that Thursday? 23 A: Yes. It was 23,000 pounds. 24 Q: Is that consistent with the -- well, let me ask you 25 this. Do you, did you, would you have obtained a weight when the Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007785 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1466 1 unit was delivered? 2 ALJ GARCIA: Hold on. Let's clean up the 3 questioning. Did he obtain a weight of what? 4 MR. FODEMAN: Yeah. Thank you, Judge. 5 Q: I'm focused on the unit that actually fell that day. 6 You're familiar with that unit? 7 A: Yes. 8 Q: Okay. There were a number of pieces to be rigged into 9 the building that day? 10 A: Yes, I believe six pieces. 11 Q: And the last one was the one that fell. Is that 12 correct? 13 A: Correct. 14 Q: And so we can know what we're talking about. Can we 15 agree, we'll call that the chiller. 16 A: Okay. 17 Q: Is that a fair characterization of what fell? 18 A: Yes. 19 Q: Okay. The, the item that you, one of the items that you 20 lifted onto the, lifted off the delivery truck months before was, 21 did that include the chiller? 22 A: Yes, it did. 23 Q: Okay. And did you obtain a weight when the item was 24 initially delivered to Skylift's yard months prior? 25 A: Yes. And when I lifted it, it was already marked the Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007786 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1467 1 weight and when I lifted it, it did confirm the weight that was 2 already marked on the piece. 3 Q: Okay. And the same holds true for Thursday, prior to 4 the lift, you were able to obtain a weight of the chiller? 5 A: Yes. 6 Q: And, again, what was the weight of the chiller? 7 A: 23,000. 8 Q: And that was marked on the chiller itself in what, chalk 9 or something? 10 A: Magic marker, yep. 11 Q: Okay. When you lifted -- withdrawn. Are you familiar 12 with a term called center of gravity? 13 A: Yes, I am. 14 Q: And in your words, what is, what do you understand 15 center of gravity to mean? 16 A: It's where the piece would be the, the center of the 17 weight to make it, to make the piece, to find its center of 18 gravity so the lift would be stable. 19 Q: And were you able to ascertain the center of gravity 20 when you picked it up in Skylift's yard? 21 A: Yes. We picked it with no incident. It picked up 22 straight. It wasn't leaning any way. 23 Q: And what did that tell you? And we're talking about the 24 chiller. 25 A: Yes. Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007787 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1468 1 Q: What did that tell you about where the center of gravity 2 was for the chiller? 3 A: That it would be in the center of the piece. There was 4 no opposing force pulling it in a certain way so it seemed stable 5 in the middle. 6 Q: And, and just to make sure we're clear on this, if you 7 had lifted it off the truck bed or onto the truck bed and it was 8 tilted, that would tell you what about the center of gravity? 9 A: That the center of gravity is off. 10 Q: Meaning not in the middle. 11 A: Oh, correct, yes. 12 Q: Did the, did the piece pick level each time you picked 13 it up in Skylift's yard? 14 A: Yes. 15 Q: If it didn’t, would you have conveyed that information 16 to Brad Allecia? 17 A: Or, yes, or one of his men. 18 Q: Would one of his, would his men be present when you did 19 that, when you lifted the items? 20 A: Yes. They're the ones that rig it in the yard. 21 Q: Understood. I want to take you to the day of the actual 22 incident, May 31st. Can you tell the Court how that day actually 23 began for you? 24 A: Yes. We left the crane's yard, it must have been 3:00 25 a.m. Bring the crane to the City. We would pull up. At that Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007788 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1469 1 point, Brad would meet Brad's guys and Brad or Frank, whoever's 2 there, and we'd go over the plan, over the placement of where the 3 crane would be. 4 Q: Let me stop you there. On this particular day, did you 5 have an understanding of who would be in charge of the rigging 6 operation? 7 A: When I, yes, when I got there, yes. 8 Q: And who, who, what was your understanding of who was in 9 charge that day? 10 A: It was Frank. 11 Q: Okay. Was it unusual that Frank would be in charge? 12 A: No. 13 Q: Who, when you said, we would go to the street, who, 14 who'd you travel with or who were you with? 15 A: I have a partner in the crane, it would be my oiler. He 16 would drive the crane and assist me in the building of the crane 17 and the placement and assist me. 18 Q: And you said the term is oiler? Is that correct? 19 A: Yes. 20 Q: O-I-L-E-R? 21 A: Yes. 22 Q: Do you recall, not exactly, but approximately what time 23 it was that you got to the, the area of Madison Avenue where this 24 incident happened? 25 A: I believe it was about 4:00 a.m. Geneva Worldwide, Inc. 256 W 38 t h Street, 10 t h Floor, New York, NY 10018 SFM 007789 FILED: NEW YORK COUNTY CLERK 10/08/2018 09:01 PM INDEX NO. 162502/2015 NYSCEF DOC. NO. 168 RECEIVED NYSCEF: 10/08/2018 COSBAN - DIRECT - FODEMAN 1470 1 Q: And who was present when you got there? 2 A: It was Frank, Skylift's, Skylift's guys and DOB. 3 Q: And you say, DOB. A specific individual from DOB? 4 A: Yes. John Moran, the inspector. 5 Q: He's an inspector for the Cranes and Derricks Division? 6 A: Yes. 7 Q: Did you know John Moran prior to this? 8 A: Yes. 9 Q: Had you been on sites where he was serving as the DOB's 10 inspector? 11 A: Yep, a lot of times. 12 Q: What happened when you arrived and the others arrived? 13 What was the first step? 14 A: We'd meet and then we look at the plans of, like I said, 15 the placement of the crane would show where the center pin would 16 be, you know, the building of the crane. We had to put our 17 outriggers down so we had to put steel mats for the outriggers so 18 -- 19 Q: Of the crane, of the crane? 20 A: -- of the crane, yes. So there's a lot of planning and 21 it's all on Delgado's plans. And we take measurements to make 22 sure the placement of the crane is correct. 23 Q: Okay. And was the inspector there for that part of the 24 operation? 25 A: Yes. He's the one that make