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  • BIBERSTEIN, HARRY vs. KIRCHBERGER, GABRIEL Other - Matters not falling within the Other civil Subcategories document preview
  • BIBERSTEIN, HARRY vs. KIRCHBERGER, GABRIEL Other - Matters not falling within the Other civil Subcategories document preview
  • BIBERSTEIN, HARRY vs. KIRCHBERGER, GABRIEL Other - Matters not falling within the Other civil Subcategories document preview
  • BIBERSTEIN, HARRY vs. KIRCHBERGER, GABRIEL Other - Matters not falling within the Other civil Subcategories document preview
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Filing # 109091550 E-Filed 06/18/2020 06:29:55 PM IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE TWENTIETH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR CHARLOTTE COUNTY, FLORIDA CIVIL ACTION HARRY BIEBERSTEIN, Plaintiff, Vv. CASE NO. 17-CA-917 GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER, et al., Defendants. / NOTICE OF FILING HEARING EXHIBITS Plaintiff, HARRY BIEBERSTEIN, by and through his undersigned counsel, and pursuant to the applicable Florida Rules of Civil Procedure hereby gives notice of filing the attached Exhibits 16 through 25 introduced into evidence at the June 17, 2020 hearing in this cause. CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that I electronically filed the foregoing document on June 18, 2020 with the Clerk of Court using the Florida Courts E-Filing Portal, which will send a notice of electronic filing to: Glenn N. Siegel, Esquire, Glenn N. Siegel, P.A., 17825 Murdock Circle, Suite A, Port Charlotte, Florida 33948, at kim@glennsiegellaw.com, Counsel for Gabriel Kirchberger; David K. Oaks, Esquire, David K. Oaks, P.A., 407 East Marion Avenue, Suite 101, Punta Gorda, Florida 33950, at doaksesq@comeast.net, Counsel for Carol DeVille and Southern Shore Enterprises, LLC, Robert W. Segur, Esquire, Robert W. Segur P.A., 2828 S. McCall Road PMB 56, Englewood, Florida 34224, at legal@segurlaw.net, Counsel for Moonstone Holdings, LLC, Niclas Kirchberger, and Christine Frazer; Christopher J. Klein, Esquire, Baur & Klein, P.A., New World Tower, Suite 2100, 100 North Biscayne Boulevard, Miami, Florida 33132, at Cklein@worldwidelaw.com and Ocardonne@worldwidelaw.com, Counsel for Defendants Andreas Kirchberger and Golden Key Properties, LLC; and Kristina Hager Snyderman, 60813939_1 1 Esquire, Barnes Walker, Goethe, Perron & Shea, PLLC, 3119 Manatee Avenue West, Bradenton, Florida 34205, at ksnyderman@barneswalker.com and mfuller@barneswalker.com, Counsel for Movants, Robles and Monrroys. ADAMS AND REESE LLP 1515 Ringling Boulevard, Suite 700 Sarasota, Florida 34236 Primary: ryan.owen@a rlaw.com Primary: drew.chesanek@arlaw.com Secondary: deborah.woodson@arlaw.com Telephone: (941) 316-7600 Counsel for Plaintiff By:_/s/ Ryan W. Owen Ryan W. Owen Florida Bar No. 0029355 Drew F. Chesanek Florida Bar No. 0115933 60813939_1 COURT FILE NO. CV-10-8534-00CL P-ofessional CV-10-8595-00CL Court Reporters Inc. ONTARIO SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE COMMERCIAL LIST BETWEEN: HARRY BIEBERSTEIN, CORPORATE NORTH YORK PLAINTIFF, 802-4950 Yonge Street i North York, Ontario AND M2N 6K1 GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER, SUSANNE VIKTORIA SCHMIDT, NOMEN FITNESS INC., 487223 ONTARIO LIMITED and 1171852 TORONTO ONTARIO LIMITED CARRYING ON BUSINESS AS G.K. YORK 401-1 University Avenue Toronto, Ontario MANAGEMENT SERVICE, M5! 2P1 DEFENDANTS , MISSISSAUGA 401-50 Burnhamthorpe Rd W Mississauga, Ontario LSB 3C2 MARKHAM 101-8500 Leslie Street Markham, Ontario 13T 7M8 HAMILTON 1 Hunter Street E EXAMINATION IN AID OF EXECUTION OF Ground Floor GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER Hamilton, Ontario L8N 3W1 MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2017 1:09 P.M. ‘TELEPHONE 416.512.2662 FACSIMILE 416.512.2664 WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11,2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 2 APPEARANCES ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF, HARRY BIEBERSTEIN: ASHA JAMES, MS. FALCONERS LLP 10 ALCORN AVENUE, SUITE 204 TORONTO, ONTARIO M4V 3A9 TELEPHONE: 416.964.0495 FACSMILE: 416.929.8179 EMAIL: ASHAJ@FALCONERS .CA ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANTS, GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER, SUSANNE VIKTORIA SCHMIDT, NOMEN FITNESS INC., 487223 ONTARIO LIMITED and 1171852 ONTARIO LIMITED CARRYING ON BUSINESS AS G.K. YORK MANAGEMENT SERVICE: JONATHAN ROSENSTEIN, MR. ROSENSTEIN LAW PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 5255 YONGE STREET, SUITE 1300 TORONTO, ONTARIO M2N 6P4 TELEPHONE: 416.639.2123 FACSMILE: 647.827.0424 EMAIL: JROSENSTEIN@ROSENSTEINLAW.CA TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc, WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 INDEX OF UNDERTAKINGS U/T NO. DESCRIPTION PAGE NO: 1 To provide particulars of Canadian pension 14 referred to and how often it is paid To advise which bank account pension funds are 14 deposited into To produce share certificate with respect to 16 Northern Gate Limited, if available To advise name of family trust referred to by 18 Deponent To ask Trustee if Deponent was ever a 20 beneficiary under the family trust. Also, if he ceased to be a beneficiary, advise date he stopped being one To advise status of York Provincial Group 21 To advise whether or not Deponent held any 24 shares in 117852 Ontario Limited, if so, provide full particulars To advise whether Deponent divested of any 24 shares in 117852 Ontario Limited and what value received To advise date Meadows Court Properties 26 Limited dissolved 10 To advise if Deponent ever had shares in 29 978824 Ontario Limited and, if he had shares, when they were divested 11 To advise number of shares held in Brook Mills 29 Limited, and provide full particulars 12 To search records for sales of residential 33 Profession TELEPHONE PACS al 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 ‘s Tne. WWAW,.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 properties in Ontario between January 12, 2010 and present. If has records, to advise who the properties were sold to 13 To search records for sales of any assets in 45 Ontario between January 12, 2010 and present. If so, provide date, description, value and purchaser 14 To produce income tax return for 2016 46 15 To produce notice of assessment for 2016 Al 16 To advise status of Deponent’s employment with 51 Brook Mills Limited 17 To advise if Deponent is paid a salary by 52 Brook Mills Limited and, if so, advise amount of salary 18 To ask G. & K. Properties Limited if Deponent 53 still employed by them. And, if so, to advise his income 19 To advise total amount of rental income 56 Deponent received from 207 150 Colborne Street from January 1, 2017 until date property sold 20 To provide of all sources of income for 59 Deponent, with amounts of income, paid in 2017 NOTE: The above-recorded indices are provided for ease of reference only and are not to be relied upon in any manner whatsoever by the parties hereto or any third party. Profession TELEPHONE PACS al 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 ‘s Tne. WWAW,.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 INDEX OF UNDER ADVISEMENTS U/A NO. DESCRIPTION PAGE NO: 1 To produce income tax return for 2015 46 2 To produce notice of assessment for 2015 47 To advise if Deponent regularly paid by any 60 other employer and whether funds received by way of direct deposit or cheque NOTE: The above-recorded indices are provided for ease of reference only and are not to be relied upon in any manner whatsoever by the parties hereto or any third party. Profession TELEPHONE PACS al 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 ‘s Tne. WWAW,.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 3 INDEX Page EXAMINATION IN AID OF EXECUTION OF 4 GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER EXAMINATION BY MS. JAMES ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE P, fessional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 4 1) EXAMINATION IN AID OF EXECUTION OF GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER 2 MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2017 3 1:09 P.M. COMMISSIONER OF OATHS: Please stand and raise your right hand. And just state your full name. THE DEPONENT: Gabriel Kirchberger. COMMISSIONER OF OATHS: And do you 10 solemnly affirm that the evidence you're about to give 11 will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the 12 truth? 13 THE DEPONENT: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER OF OATHS: Thank you. 15 COURT REPORTER: My name is Mel 16 Hodge. I am the court reporter who will be taking 17 today's testimony. I am with the firm of Professional 18 Court Reporters. 19 Today is the 11th day of December, 20 2017. The time now is approximately 1:09 p.m. 21 We are at 4950 Yonge Street to take the 22 examination of Gabriel Kirchberger in the matter of 23 Kirchberger et al and Bieberstein, pending in the 24 Superior Court, court file numbers CV-10-8534-00CL and 25 CV-10-8595-00CL. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 5 1 Will counsel please identify themselves 2| for the record, starting with your name, firm and who 3 you represent. 4 MS. JAMES: My name's Asha James, I'm counsel for the plaintiff, Harry Bieberstein, and I'm from Falconers LLP. MR. ROSENSTEIN: Jonathan Rosenstein, I act for the person being examined, at Rosenstein Law. 10 COURT REPORTER: Thank you, Counsel. 11 You may now proceed. 12 GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER, affirmed, 13 EXAMINATION BY MS. JAMES : 14 1 Q Good afternoon, Mr. Kirchberger. So you're 15 aware that we're here today in respect of a judgment 16 dated September 23rd, 2016? 17 A Yes. 18 2 Q And you understand that by way of that 19 judgment you've been ordered to pay Mr. Bieberstein 20 the following amounts? 21 MR. ROSENSTEIN: We're not going to 22 do that. The judgment says what it says. You're not 23 going to ask him to confirm that. You're not here to 24 do that. 25 MS. JAMES: Okay. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 6 1) BY MS. JAMES : 2) 3. Q Can I get your full name, please? 3 A Gabriel Kirchberger. Q Date of birth? of June, "49, Telephone number? MR. ROSENSTEIN: Sorry, you were planning calling for some reason? MS. JAMES: Fine. 10 BY MS. JAMES : 11 6 Q Can we get your residential address? 12 A My residential address is --- 13 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Wherever you live is 14 what she's asking for. 15 THE DEPONENT: I moved to Belize. 16 Belize. 17 BY MS. JAMES : 7 18 Q You don't have a residential address here in 19 Ontario? 20 A No. I have a driver's license but not a 21 residence in the province. 22 8 Q And when did you cease living in Ontario? 23 MR. ROSENSTEIN: oh, is your question 24 when he stopped having a residence in Ontario, is that 25 the question? TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 urt Reporters Inc. WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 7 MS. JAMES : Yes. THE DEPONENT: When I stop? MR. ROSENSTEIN: When did you stop living in Ontario? THE DEPONENT: Two months ago. BY MS. JAMES : 9 Q And prior to no longer residing in Ontario, what was the residence -- where did you live in Ontario? 10 325 West Street. 11 10. 3252 12 West Street. 13 11 What city is that in? 14 Brantford. Brantford. 15 12 Did you own that property? 16 No. Rented. 17 13 Who did you rent from? 18 From my company. 19 14 Sorry? 20 From G. & K. 21 15 G & K.? 22 Yes. Property Management. 23 16 And how long did you rent the property for? 24 Two years. 25 17 Is there a lease agreement? ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 8 1 No. 18. Did you pay rent? Yes. 19. Q And you paid rent to the G. & K. Property Management? M'hmm. 20. And how much did you pay in rent? Eight hundred. 21 A month? 10 Yes. 11 22. What was the size of the property? Was it a 12 home? An apartment? 13 A Apartment. 14 23. Q So 325 West Street, Brantford, Ontario, what 15 was the apartment number? 16 A 101. 17 24. Q And at any time did you own the property 18 located at 325 West Street, Brantford --- 19 No. 20 25. --- Ontario? Sorry? 21 No 22 26. Q So other than the name of Gabriel 23 Kirchberger, do you use any other names? 24 A No 25 27. Q Are you currently married? ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR# 7192-1 Page 9 1 A No. 2] 28. Q And that includes not living in any common- law relationship, correct? A No. 29 Are you currently employed? Yes. 30 By who? G.K. York. 31 Q And what do you do with G.K. York? 10 A Property manager, till end of the year and 11 afterwards I'm done. 12 32. Q Sorry, I didn't hear that. 13 A Till end of the year, afterwards I'm done. 14 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Even though we're 15 sitting here across the table, this gentleman is 16 typing everything down and is also tape recorder, so 17 you have to speak clearly --- 18 THE DEPONENT: Okay. 19 MR. ROSENSTEIN: --- so he can tape 20 it all. 21 THE DEPONENT: Okay. 22 BY MS. JAMES : 23 33. Q And how long have you worked for G.K. York? 24 A Fifteen years. 25 34. Q Can I get the address of -- the company ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 10 1] address for G.K. York? 2 A 325 West Street, Brantford, Ontario. 3 35. Is there a suite or apartment number? A100 and -- A100. 36. Q So is 325 West Street, Brantford, a residential and commercial property? A Yes. It's actually commercial property. 37. Q So it's a commercial property that you had a residential unit in? 10 A No, I just had my address there. When I 11 stayed in Brantford I sleep in a hotel. Couple weeks 12 here and there. 13 38. Q So when you stay in Brantford do you stay at 14 different hotels or is it one hotel all the time? 15 Different ones. Whatever is the cheapest. 16 39. And your position as property manager with 17 G.K York is that a full time or a part time position? 18 Full time. 19 40 Do you draw a salary from G.K York? 20 Yes. 21 41 How much? 22 I think 60 to 70 thousand a year. 23 42 Sorry, how much? 24 Between 60 and 70 thousand a year. 25 43 On top of that do you receive any commission ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 11 1] or bonuses? 2 A No. 3 44, Q Is your salary of 60,000 to $70,000 a year, is it taxable income? A Yes. 45. Q And is it taxed at source by the employer? A I don't know. MR. ROSENSTEIN: I don't know. BY MS. JAMES : 10 46. Q Okay. 11 I think it's before tax. It's close to 12 that. 13 47 Okay 14 Close 15 48 So --- 16 After tax is like $50,000. 17 49 So when you get paid by the employer, by 18 G.K York a-- 19 A month, every month. 20 50 Sorry -- and so they take taxes from you --- 21 Yes. 22 51 --- before they provide you with it? 23 Yes. Yes. 24 52 And how often do you get paid? 25 I believe every two weeks. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 12 1) 53. Q Every two weeks. And when was the last time 2 you got paid? 3 A First, I think on the lst. First of December. 54. Q So then if you're getting paid every two weeks, your next pay will be December 15th? A Yes. First of January it's over. 55. Q And then you should be paid again on the 29th of December? 10 A Yeah. 11 56. Q And are you retiring from the company or 12 were you terminated? 13 A Retiring. 14 S7 Q And are you receiving any retirement bonus 15 or severance? 16 A No. 17 58 Q So other than your income then at G.K. York, 18 do you receive income from any other employers? 19 A No. 20 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Sorry, is it ones in 21 Ontario? 22 BY MS. JAMES : 23 59. Q In Ontario, yes. 24 A No. Pension, that's it. General pension, 25 Canadian pension. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 13 1) 60. Q You receive a Canadian pension? 2 A Yeah. 3 61 From whom? From the government, no. 62 So CPP? I don't know. Five hundred dollars something. MS. JAMES : So can I get an undertaking to determine who he gets his Canadian 10 pension from. 11 THE DEPONENT: It's old age pension. 12 MR. ROSENSTEIN: We'll find out. So 13 you want to know --- 14 MS. JAMES : If he receives Canadian - 15 - CPP. 16 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Well, we're going to 17 find out exactly what it is that he's referring to 18 when he talks about Canadian pension. 19 MS. JAMES : Yeah. 20 MR. ROSENSTEIN: And we'll tell you 21 who pays it. 22 MS. JAMES: Thanks. And then can I 23 find out how often it's paid? 24 MR. ROSENSTEIN: We'll give you the 25 particulars. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 14 1 (Whereupon UNDERTAKING NO. 1 To provide particulars 2 of Canadian pension referred to and how often it is paid.) BY MS. JAMES : 63. Q And do you receive that -- those funds by cheque or are they deposited directly into a bank account? A I think directly in a bank account, yeah. 64. Q Which bank account are they deposited into? 10 A I don't know. 11 MS. JAMES: So can I get an 12 undertaking to determine or to advise which bank 13 account those pension funds are deposited into? 14 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yes. 15 (Whereupon UNDERTAKING NO. 2: To advise which bank 16 account pension funds are deposited into.) 17 BY MS. JAMES : 18 65 Q Do you own shares in any corporations? 19 Yes. 20 66 How many corporations do you own shares in? 21 One. 22 67 And which corporation is that? 23 Northern Gate. 24 68 Northern Gate? 25 Limited. ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 15 1} 69. Q And how many shares do you own in that 2 corporation? 3 A Twenty-five. 70. Q And what does Northern Gate Limited do? Like what kind of company is that? A Real estate holding. 71. Q And do you have a share purchase agreement with Northern Gate Limited? Or a share certificate? MR. ROSENSTEIN: Counsel, those are 10 two different questions. 11 MS. JAMES: Okay. 12 BY MS. JAMES : 13 72. Q So do you have any share purchase agreement 14 with Northern Gate Limited? 15 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Share purchase 16 agreement? 17 MS JAMES: Share, share purchase 18 agreement. 19 MR. ROSENSTEIN: He owns the shares. 20 We have a purchase agreement. You're required to 21 under written development. 22 BY MS. JAMES : 23 73. Q And do you have a share certificate with 24 respect to Northern Gate Limited showing how many 25 shares you own in the corporation? ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 16 1 A I think so. 74. Q So can I get an undertaking to produce the share certificate? MR. ROSENSTEIN: We'll give an undertaking to see if he has it. If he has it we'll produce it. (Whereupon UNDERTAKING NO. 3 To produce share certificate with respect to Northern Gate Limited, if available.) 10 BY MS. JAMES : 11 75. Q Did you ever own shares in a company 487223 12 Ontario Limited? 13 A No. I am personally, no. 14 76. Q Pardon? 15 A Personally, not. 16 MR. ROSENSTEIN: When she asks you 17 she's always asking whether you, Gabriel Kirchberger, 18 owned or didn't own or whatever. We only talk about 19 you. 20 THE DEPONENT: Okay. Thank you. 21 BY MS. JAMES : 22 771. Q Have you ever been a director of 487223 23 Ontario Limited? 24 A Yes. 25 78. Q In what period? ‘TELEPHONE FACSIMILE Professional 416.512.2662 416.512.2664 Court Reporters Inc. 'WWW.COURTREPORTERS.CA PCR@COURTREPORTERS.CA Exhibit 16 Examination of GABRIEL KIRCHBERGER December 11, 2017 PCR # 7192-1 Page 17 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Sorry, how is this relevant? MS. JAMES : Pardon me? MR. ROSENSTEIN: How is this relevant? MS. JAMES : Because during his -- in the civil proceedings in respect of this hearing there was testimony that was given about him owning shares in these corporations and different values of shares, 10 and I'd like to know if he no longer owns them, when 11 he divested those shares. It's all relevant to the -- 12 13 MR. ROSENSTEIN: Yeah, I didn't 14 object until you asked about his being a director. I 15 asked how that's relevant. 16 MS. JAMES : Well, I think it's 17 relevant because my next question's going to be 18